The main problem is that shillings aren’t worth much, not that the chests were so good. I mean, a daily emperor’s chest is completely useless to anybody who can play Legend or already has the equipment they want. All it does for those players is cluttering the inventory with Champion deeds, basically. Even a commendation chest would be preferable, because those can at least drop hats.
But the shillings are just as pointless, as there is hardly anything to spend them on. I had high hopes for Lohner’s Emporium, but it just feels so half-assed… The content in it is scarce, and it gets new items only really slowly, which are usually just normal weapon illusions, which most people already have anyways. I have >10000 shillings stocked, I believe, with nothing I’d really want to spend them on anymore. There just needs to be a shilling sink, and then the daily shillings would be worth it.
Another common frustration is how it’s impossible to work towards the red weapon illusions you want, since they’re distributed by RNG. I’m lucky enough to have all the ones I really want, but I’m still missing a few even after playing since launch and opening probably thousands of vaults. Imagine wanting a specific illusion for your favorite weapon and still not getting it after all that time. I’m sure there are people around who feel that frustration.
A solution that would kill two Skaven with one stone could be to put the red weapon illusions in Lohner’s Emporium. For really high prices if need be, maybe even priced at thousands of shillings. Then you would have a shilling sink, something to work towards, it prevents players being overly frustrated by RNG, it helps completionists, and it makes the daily shillings feel more useful, even if it’s just a small amount.
I agree with everything you said but this. See my calculation further up in the thread for why. If it was doubled to 10 shillings per daily maybe it would be alright were there red illusions available in Lohner’s. At 5 shillings per daily, and with reds I still want, I’d still take the Emp chest. Can’t remember the exact drop rates but it comes to a respectable bonus to red drops, while again, 5 shillings is virtually nothing. As you said though, it’s all pretty pointless till there’s a decent amount of stuff worth getting in the Emporium.
Does it currently count losses towards QP completions? If so that’s certainly dumb, and as I said, books should also require completion.
Literally everything else though? Can’t think of a single other daily/weekly it would make sense to require map completion. Am I forgetting some? Which other ones do you think should definitely require map completion to get credited?
I get what you’re saying, but it’s a matter of relativity. If the store is full of super cool stuff and you’re near constantly on 0 shillings because of all the cool stuff you buy, even 5 shillings would be great. But 35 shillings a week compared to all the shillings from the weeklies is indeed relatively little. However, I was more commenting on the idea of shillings vs. chests as a reward for dailies. Right now, it might as well be 50 shillings / day and it would still be relatively disappointing for long time players.
Now that you can fail QP and still get progress towards the weekly “Complete 10 Quick Play Missions”, the devs should allow the mod “Host your own game” to host private QPs from the keep. Right now, you can complete the quest by hosting 10 QPs and blow up as Sienna at the start. I can totally foresee some douche (me) hosting QP, present anyone who joins with “Sry bro, suiciding for the weekly quest.”, and then kick them.
This is especially likely to happen since you don’t get progress towards the below quests by failing. Now it is faster to do the QP weekly separately by blowing up and then speedrunning a map of your choice for the rest.
-Complete the Weekly Quest
-Retrieve 15 Tomes
-Retrieve 10 Grimoires
Can you actually do that now? fail a run and it counting towards qp quest?
Is it called ‘complete quickplays’ or “play quickplays”? if the 1st one, i hope they adjusted the wording.
As I’ve said - there’s such mod (and I use it extensively).
For me a slight fix to the current problem would be if we had 3 new dailies every day. Because 1 new daily which you can complete by failing just won’t cut it for me. Also it’d make our garbage currency a bit more abundant.
Yep. Only the tome, grimoire and weekly event quests do not get progress by failing.
In-game it says “Complete”, so yes, the text should be changed to reflect the new changes.
The mod only allows you to host QP. It doesn’t make it possible to host private QP. Only when inside the mission can the game be set to private. For the mod to be sanctioned, it had to limit private QP to modded realm.
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Below is a comment by Robin (Technical Director @ Fatshark) why the mod wasn’t allowed to host private QP anymore. With these changed to dailies, I believe it should be reintroduced.
"As a clafirication, we requested that the private game setting was removed from this mod. The reason for this is the following:
The point of quick play is encourage players to relinquish control over map choice so there always are open games available to join on a wide array of maps rather than risking splitting the player base into a bunch of smaller buckets.
Allowing players to get the reward and then set their game to private, not enabling other players to join the game undermines this as they do contribute to the pool of available games.
We do not forbid players from playing alone, but they will simply then not receive the extra incentive for contributing to the server pool."
The problem with this, any almost all other rewards in the game.
They’re not rewarding.
Before anything else, Chests aren’t rewarding. The RNG makes it infuriating to get chests.
And on to Dailies. The Emporium is not rewarding really, as there’s not much that makes me go “Wow, I want that!”
Weapon skins would make me spend Shillings much faster as I see the weapon all the time.
And so, for Vet’s I don’t even bother with Dailies or Weeklies anymore because it’s just maximum effort for minimal reward. Another part of the game falling by the wayside as it hasn’t been fine-tuned enough.
Did the devs even ever comment on quest completion from failure? As far as I see it, it’s a bug that got introduced but never fixed, did I miss some patch notes or a statement?
Sorry for being bitter, but asked them about a bunch of old, previously raised, and still unaddressed issues round here recently with no result in a few different posts, so I’m a bit bitter.
Host a game.
Wait for the map to load.
Click Private.
Done!
If that’s your thing. I still prefer humans to bots even though the chance of meeting idiots is high^_^
You missunderstand.
I know i can just host a game and once loaded in make it private, but there is almost always someone that’s gonna join before and if the host just wants to suicide for his weekly quests 10 times in a row then that will be toxic towards players joining. Also i’m not talking about me personally, just in general, i also prefer real players over bots, just saying this change might happen and this outcome is something to keep in mind. A fix would be, like haiken said, to allow private qp’s to be hosted from the start.
