Wowzer, thats crazy. I wrongly assumed you could since you can on the console version.
So V2 is GaaS on the PC but not on console.
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Good video and itās what comes to mind whenever someone on here defends Fatshark, saying these arenāt GaaS. These people donāt remember what happened to War of the Roses and War of the Vikings. Dead and unplayable, effectively it became lostware. The people who paid for it? Sorry, not worth the server upkeep anymore.
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Iām going to be a bit contrary here and say that almost all games donāt age well, even classics, especially if they lack polish or have a ārealisticā art style. They are fun to revisit for nostalgia and novelty alone because they often feel awkward and plodding.
Point is GAAS allows people to dip into a game a few hours a day or a week, take a break, and dip back. 90% of people simply donāt have the time to play the Witcher 3, for example. The average gamer has dramatically aged.
Gaas is the reason we are all here: the traditional single play through or level loop first broke with chrono trigger, NG+, and progressive power increases. Now, decades later, people are arguing to balance weapons because they break the balance of the Meta in a pve game after 200+ hours. A dollar an hour is pretty good value.
If you want a rude awakening, go back to ff6, ff7, and Diablo 1 and 2. They are very hard to play long term to end game without emulation trickery.
To the point and DT: with the vaulting, bugs, janky movement, forgettable skins, and annoying crafting, do you think this game is going to be worth revisiting for hundreds of hours of endgame play in 10 years? You think itās going to be the next L4D? The game already needs a remaster.
Iāll add that gaas eventually made deep rock worse. To access their new weapons and overclocks you have to play some of their terrible new mission types and engage with their random mechanics to the point that the levels became longer and longer until you have to spend 45 minutes to maybe finish one level.
The systems for obtaining overclocks and obtaining old seasonal cosmetics are pretty bad in drg
Like itās 2 layers of rng, if the means to get the overclock or cosmetic is actually on the map and what you get is entirely random.
Progressing the seasons themselves werenāt very fun either. It was very slow and pretty unrewarding. I never understood why they made progressing though them such a drag because there was no monetary incentive to do so.
Like I appreciate that itās all free but it could have been done better
So you have chosen death. Apologies, I MUST disseminate you from skin to bone now. Nothing personal.
I will start just by name-dropping a few realistic games that hold their water until now:
- Deus Ex
- Half-Life 2
- Left 4 Dead 1/2
- Any RPG
While true, a lot of new Gamers are also made. And older gamers take time off or the weekend to plow through a game. Gaming is bigger than Hollywood now, it surpassed it a few years ago.
This feels a bit like the āSingleplayer is deadā argument EA tried to make years ago, but it doesnāt hold up at all. If anything, Gaming has gotten so big and diversified from playerbases, that many different genres of single and multiplayer coexist. Cases in point:
- Assassinās Creed
- Baldurās Gate 3 and Larian Games
- Cyberpunk 2077
- Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
- Dragonās Dogma 2 is coming up
- Grand Theft Auto 5 / 6
- Anything made by Bethesda
The value proposition is good, yes.
You say this in an age where any% speedrunners show off rushing through these in record times.
FF7 specifically was so hot in demand and asked for, they remade the game with next level graphics.
It is already worth revisiting for hundred of hours now.
Vermintide 2 is 6 years old and almost sports the numbers Darktide has. Darktide is already played for hundreds of hours by many.
And then there is Payday 2. You know how janky and old the game is at the core?
People can forgive a lot of things, if the essence of a game is good and fun. I argue some jank makes the experience more unique. Look at all the Ubisoft releases. They are fine-tuned and sanitized like a hospital. Many people have turned away from them for this reason.
It always depends on implementation more than anything. GaaS can be done well or not so well. Just like any other system.
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me playing M&M 6 even though i was one when it came out
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While Fatshark didnt say its a live service game, likely on purpose to avoid the trappings and expectations that come with it, Im still gonna call a spade a spade.
Imo, all games should be playable offline, no matter what. If I wanna play WoW on my own in an empty world, thats my choice.
Its funny, going thru various forums posts for various games of people asking āis this game playable offlineā etc and the responses are pretty much āthis game is better online with friends thoā which irks me to a depth that I wish it didnt. Thats not what was asked and thats not anyones business if someone wants to play with themselves 
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Live service is just a corporate excuse for releasing even more buggy and even less closer to finished games. Same as DLSS and FSR are treated as an excuse to spend even less time optimising their games.
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Having put 670 hours into DRG myself, this is the sentiment I reached as well. The overclock grind took several hundred hours (I think I was done around 350?) and clearing the season pass takes another several hundred.
The core gameplay loop is great, and thereās no ātrueā FOMO since everything will still be there if you decide to drop the game, but the grind is simply too long - but at least itās consistently long, unlike Darktide, where bad RNG can force you to put another dozen hours into a single weapon.
I still Path of Exile does the GaaS thing the most correctly. There is absolutely no effective FOMO for me, and I frequently drop the game for a year or two before picking it up again and playing for another 300 hours. Itās also balanced around a singleplayer experience, and the most player interaction you usually get is through getting a map on your atlas cleared for you through someone in global chat or trading. While you still need to ālog inā, you have no obligation to play, and while the loot treadmill is long, the grind is still fun to me.
GaaS still needs to burn, but there are games out there that do it in a less-predatory manner - in general, though, if the game doesnāt respect your time, donāt play it. Donāt be a Destiny 2.
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God I hate that game with a passion. Its fun, but absolutely a shining example of everything wrong with the industry rn.
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the take-away here is nobody seems to agree on or even know what āGames as a serviceā means, and nobody really cares so long as they get to rant about it.
Mfw people on a forum enjoy discussing things
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nobody on this forum likes discussing things. just raging and circlejerking about things.
Look at this thread
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A bit of projection there ol buddy ol pal.
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Pretty much his profile since the release of Darkride
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I was typing away in another thread, and it got me thinking - this whole conversation, Maysā effort here, the following (and preceding) conversationā¦
If the goal is to clear up the confusion of half-truths and misconceptions, letās go to the source.
@FatsharkCatfish - since youāre back, can we get a statement? Is Darktide a Live Service game? Was it built as one?
Iād love to see some input on this from the side of theā¦ you know, people that built and update the game. Maybe even the CEO? I hear direct CEO input has become very cool and trendy lately in Sweden.
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we had to fight to get the CEO to not say sheet anymore with VT1, donāt drag him out to say some insane thing he heard about another game entirely like it applies here.
That was then, times change.
To continue the thinly-veiled reference to a smaller, less known IP thatās recently become somewhat popular by redefining industry and genre standards:
Communicate for the audience you want, not the one you currently have.
That said, to communicate and manage the community is the CMās responsibility. Iād gladly settle for that, if Sweden isnāt big enough for two communicative CEOās of videogame development companies.
You walked right exactly the same trap i didā¦ now this time its my turn to post this
Wrong mindset in generalā¦ games should be product and as a product i want to use it until physically broke itā¦ We should be able to play Darktide in the future with our grandchildren via local coop !
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