For context: people trashed the devs for making these items only in the Super Store and also for being extremely expensive (for HD2 items). Arrowhead responded by releasing the second wave of items for free.
Now, they’re repacking them as a warbond proper with extra stuff. If you bought ANYTHING in that initial wave a year ago, you get the whole warbond for free and most of the items in it aren’t even medal-locked.
Contrast this with Fatshark’s approach to monetization and responding to community concerns (namely silence most of the time) and you see the issue.
Weird comparison. Darktide doesn’t sell you weapons unless they’re exclusive to a premium class. Vermintide did that, Darktide doesn’t. There’s no buying power here, only buying style, which is completely optional. And as for monetisation, AFAIK Fatshark doesn’t even have a say over what’s in DT’s cosmetics store.
Tencent will be a problem… this is not just an other company. This is a chinese company with all what it means behind this…
This being said, Tencent wants money… like any company. The fact we see the predatory prices in shop when Tencent has entered in Fatshark, and the changes in the way Fathsark monetizes its game, all this is surely linked to Tencent
But from what I have read… Fatshark never learns. That’s a golden rule for them. And here, this has nothing to do with Tencent
There’s no contradiction. Every class has exclusive weapons. It’s self evident that if they’re going to be introducing premium classes, they’ll come with weapons exclusive to them. If they introduced a premium class and didn’t bring any new weapons with it, there’d be riots. So on one hand we have you complaining about how some cool weapons are premium class only, and on the other we have the mob that would come in bitching if all they got for their money was a new talent tree. Sure seems fun to be Fatshark and have to pick between which groups gets to moan this time around.
And what the hell is “a little bit of good will” supposed to mean? We get free game modes, free weapon additions post release, talent reworks, new maps. What else does your highness want?
Are you people actually incapable of basic reading comprehension? Nvm, pointless question, if the answer is yes you won’t know.
There’s a world of difference between just having you buying weapons for universal use (selling power, like Coruscation Staff and Trollhammer and Moonfire Bow in Vermintide or whatever the hell it is that HD is doing), and buying a class, with its own playstyle, that logically will include exclusive weapons because every class has those. Those weapons don’t spill over to the rest of the game. Other Veterans aren’t going to be better off than you because they paid for DLC. It’s not like they’re selling Ogryns a Rumbler, or Veterans a Plasma Gun. So using HD as a role model for dev response when that very role model tried to sell you weapons and then had to backpedal that due to backlash is pretty funny. If someone holds a gun to your head and then takes it back, apparently that’s deserving of applause and the fact they held a gun to your head is entirely forgotten? Where’s the applause for Fatshark for not doing something like that in the first place?
So what’s the complaint here, exactly? People were dissatisfied with the state of the game on release. So Fatshark paused its premium content release schedule to get the game into a better state. It took them a while to get there, true, but they did it. It’s a pretty well known fact that Fatshark ain’t fast, as anybody in the Vermintide community would tell you (still waiting on that Huntsman rework promised in the Big Balance Beta, btw). Then they resumed their content release schedule with premium classes. Which was the advertised plan from the very beginning of Darktide. When people complained about classes being locked in due to their skill trees, they reworked the skill trees, and they’re not even done with that yet. The state of the trees as we have them is not the final iteration, as confirmed by the devs, there’s bigger adjustments coming. I find it quite amusing that this post about Fatshark not listening and fixing its mistakes comes at the tail end of a year when Fatshark has by far been the most active in improving the game and releasing things people wanted.
Why are you making the distinction between buying power for existing classes, and buying power via buying a new class with OP weps and talents? Both are buying power with real money
Because it is different. You can play your vanilla Zealot just as well as you could before any paid DLC. Your effectiveness is unaffected, everything Zealot has gotten since release has been free. Better talents, new powerful weapons, buffs to existing weapons, you didn’t have to pay a dime and you’re not missing out on anything on him.
Imagine if the Plasma Gun was a premium weapon. The mainstay weapon that everyone is running around with in difficult content nowadays, locked behind a paywall. You grab your beloved Veteran that you know like the back of your hand, queue for a game and look at that, there’s two others running around with options you don’t have, blasting everything in sight before your Helbore even charges up halfway. That’s a feelbad way of selling power. That’s what Vermintide did. Almost all of the best weapons in the game are paid DLC. Billhook, Mace and Sword, Bret Sword, Trollhammer Torpedo, Coghammer, Javelins, Spear and Shield. Almost 1 to 1 on every character you’d miss out on the best weapons per career if you didn’t pay. With a DLC class in Darktide, you’re not just being sold a weapon, it comes packaged with a whole talent tree and playstyle. If that playstyle isn’t for you, as Hive Scum isn’t for some, what are you missing out on? If your favourite class was Ogryn the whole time, you can still play him just the same and all other Ogryns will be on the same playing field, nobody got ahead of you because they flashed their wallet and you didn’t.
And even if you were to say that, by some objective metric, a certain class exclusive weapon that only comes from paid DLC is better than everything else, it still only performs that way within the context of the class it’s on. So it’s much harder to say if it’s the weapon that’s overtuned, or maybe it’s actually just something about the class that needs looking at. And Fatshark isn’t just leaving this stuff be if it’s premium. Arbitrator was felt to be too strong and he’s been mostly only nerfed since then, so that you’re not buying raw power, you’re buying an option, if it appeals to you. Can’t say the same in Vermintide. Trollhammer has been overpowered since release, afaik it’s been nerfed once, like two (?) years ago. It’s still overpowered and will remain that way. That’s buying power. Not just buying an option. It’s buying the best thing you can be using. A Darktide match post DLC release values a Veteran or Ogryn just as much as it did before. You don’t have to flash your wallet to use a Rumbler and be allowed on a Havoc team as a result.
The same would be true if they added a new premium zealot weapon. You could just keep using the old ones. Those remain unchanged and their effectiveness unaffected.
I’m not gonna lie this is a massive wall of text for fundamentally making 0 sense. You need to just acknowledge that both buying OP weapons and buying OP weapons on a new OP class are “buying power”
Your effectiveness relative to Zealots who did pay would be affected. There would be a direct correlation between performance within your class and how much you paid. That’s what people mean when they talk about buying power. It’s much harder to say with full confidence “yo the shivs are overpowered” when it comes packaged with a character that’s made of paper mache.
When was the last time that happened? There’s your answer for that stupid rhetoric lol. Meanwhile there’s no doubt that every new class is OP.
Why are we comparing only to other zealots instead of to other players in general?
This is a rhetorical question: It’s actually because you’re wrong and releasing a new class with OP talents and weapons isn’t actually different from releasing a paid weapon pack with OP weapons when it comes to whether or not it’s buying power.
Seems like you missed the part where all this was being compared to HD2 in the first place. You seem confused and like you just wanted to jump in with an “ackshually”.
Which half? The half you represent or the good players?