It really doesn’t. If you swap to melee too soon you lose your stacks. Want to reload in a lull? Cool, but lose your stacks.
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couple of years*
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My veteran is trash now. 
Also:
Arbites = Veteran + Ogryn + doggy
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Hey, you shut up, the DUELING SWORD is the only unbalanced thing in this game and if you disagree you just aren’t high level / havoc player / 10 thousand hours in game / high IQ enough to understand.
NOTHING else is badly balanced or OP because FS knows what they are doing and they definitely aren’t making the new thing OP so people will buy it only to nerf it later once everyone starts parroting whichever youtuber they get their opinions from saying it’s broken.
Edit because apparently people don’t get sarcasm or irony even when it’s layered on so thick it’s dripping off the edges - no wonder they don’t udnerstand weapon balance.
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Keep strawmanning and clutch your DS4.
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You don’t even know my thoughts on the DS, reel your neck in.
Obviously I struck a nerve though. Probably think the DS is OP because you never worked out the chains on the other weapons and can only mash left click 
If anyone wants to be unpolite or disrespectful…
Follow this person style.
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If anyone wants to miss the point and then attempt to virtue signal, this guy has instuctional courses.
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Lol, you just buried yourself with that statement.
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Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better.
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I must agree on this. Even with one arbites new aurics were turninc into easy riflerange. Cybermastiffs legitly feel like anothing player(Or bot, is someone remembers that glitch) on top of 4 players which makes a run significantly easer.
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Well, not exactly… But yeah it’s position even worse. After 5 missions i switched from exe stance infantry lasgun build to shout with recon las to be more helplful to the team, since is was a bit pointless to shoot elites since arbitres were doing too good at this anyway xD
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I think the only real weakness for the middle keystone is that hordes will eat your stacks (so the extra cleave is slightly counterproductive) - it’s especially noticeable with the spread Arbites Shotgun, since shooting into a mixed horde will take 10 - 15 stacks quite easily - unless you’re monitoring the stacks, it’s very easy to be fighting without the relevant buff.
In saying that, it’s a relatively small weakness.
At the moment, the numbers do feel particularly nutty. Execution Order with the spread shotgun lets you eradicate walls of gunners/shotgunners in a single shot. Paired with Castigator’s, you instantly ramp up the damage buff.
It’s cool (Terminator vibes tbh) , but it does kinda trivialize things when you can wipe out elites in large numbers with a single shot. Crushers are a slog (although the Rending talents might help there), but every other elite is fair game.
nobody really cares about how broken it is, people more care about the fact that, guess what, THEY STOLE OUR COSMETICS FROM US.
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Lol, this shite is busted. Just got my first arbites escort as a vet on Auric. Was less for me to do than having an ogryn escort. 3 dogs handling most things and the players sweeping up what they didn’t catch. They could take down enemies I was already mid flashlighting with my recon las before it could. This is nuts.
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funny cause i like this one instead, i find harder to gain melee stacks with my ranged, and i enjoy the fact the cleave gives me multiple stacks of that
That’s fair - I’m having a ton of fun with the shotgun, so I end up burning through stacks like crazy (Man Stopper + crit blessing contribute to that as well ), and I don’t have quite the same cleave levels in melee to rebuild ranged stacks. In the psykanium, if I line things up right, I can dump 8 - 11 stacks with the shotgun
EDIT: nvm, manstopper isn’t on the shotguns, only the shot pistol. I’d been using Deathspitter
Low(er) cleave/spread on your preferred weapon and high(er)/spread cleave on your other weapon may be the ideal way to go about it. If I swapped to the single target shotgun, I’d probably get more value from it for a ranged-focused build
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My dog is called Guns-For-Eyes
While I was leveling, I was like ‘this is going to even out at some point, right?’.
You can 1shot or almost 1shot every Special and Elite that comes into contact with you.
Crusher (rending/brittle) with the Concussive Talent and Exterminator Shotgun with the tight spread, Castigator and left Keystone. Brittle Lightningxgodx dog.
But the dog was a bit too inconsistent, so I went full right side, with no dog, (how I planned to play the class in the first place), and nope. Still destroy everything with lightning mines.
Not sure if the Castigator dogboostx increases the dogzap damage, but I was timing with that on high density too.
You can just kind of ignore everything and only push Elites/Specials.
I think it actually levels out in Havoc SLIGHTLY though (still really strong), due to lack of unlimited cleave.
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its the honeymoon, i just wanted the be the first to talk about it, as a personal satisfaction
mace and shield did it for me, on my climb back to 40, with these perks
they might seem a small detour from all the good stuff this class has, but i had consistent results witht them
i tried impact perks aswell, but they doesn’t seem to do anything
i hate to say it but it makes it easier to fight hordes than veteran’s power swords, both of them, the damages won’t be crazy though, you’d get 500 to 600k melee damage against the 800k you’d normally do on your duelling sword
with no impact perks you still have enough impact to stop reapers from shooting, which is the ideal
spam heavy attacks, and mix them up with the push attack for the extra cleave, after 3 games with this you already have it in your mussle memory, and can turn off your brain
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fair enough, i guess.