After just 4 months of playing, I'm done

[hgjw]

@Bigpfeiffer

I agree with you guys in general. However, I’d advocate that the best way to address problems is to offer constructive feedback AND solutions.

Oh boy, how many fatshark blunders could they have avoided if they ever read that constructive feedback.

[XeroShinobi]

@Rainman

People’s reaction time ranges from like 100 (top .1%) to 400ms, with the curve peaking around 200ms. Even at the absolute max of 100ms, it’s a little over five times the refresh rate at 60hz; you’ll see five frames at 60hz before the fastest person should be able to make a reaction. There have been studies which prove people get used to the refresh rate changes and play at statistically equivalent capability. The only thing high refresh rates do is improve the ‘feel’ and general experience, but actual performance impacts are all placebo.

Everything in this is wrong. Nobody has a consistently measured 100ms visual reaction time in lab settings; the absolute best is around 120ms, and this is WELL beyond 0.1 percentile. Add a few decimal places to that. It’s well under 1 in a million.

Anything above 300ms would indicate brain damage.

A person’s reaction time being longer than the end-to-end system latency doesn’t make the end-to-end system latency irrelevant, as the total latency adding on human to system is cumulative, not overlapping.

Every serious study consistently finds that people play better with less latency across the board. A bad player will be slightly less bad at lower latency, and a good player will be even better.

[Bigpfeiffer]

The post you linked is great. I see no solutions in your post.

[hgjw]

Funnily enough this reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjAuPPRsA4
Couple frames in fighting games is alone enough to make attacks avoidable/unavoidable.

[Rainman]

I used 100ms as a best-case scenario, not commonplace, and I used this site.

Reaction Time Test

second, like I said, it’s all placebo. You’ll get used to your refresh rate either way; people adapt over time. The big difference comes from inconsistencies in frametime which makes reacting less predictable, and having a system enough performance to keep frametimes smooth is what actually helps. The notion that higher refresh rates enables higher level play, in particular for pro players, has been debunked. It’s marketing to get you to buy crap you don’t really need, but are still ‘nice-to-haves’. If you think you’re somehow going to get the drop on some guy because one frame appeared 8ms faster, you’re delusional.

Also, ever since amd’s sync tech was forced to be made compatible with nvidia gpus, nvidia switched their marketing away from refresh rates in favor for latency-reduction technologies.

NVIDIA Study: high refresh rate vs low latency? - CS LAB.

[Lt.DavinFelth]

I have a minor brain damage… yay!

[Mayson]

@CobaltNinja

After 316.9 hours since November '23 and leveling every class to 30, I have a final review for the game: it’s mediocre. It’s a lot of fun when it works, but the fact that it doesn’t work so often drives me up the wall. It’s like Fatshark learned nothing from Vermintide 2 and continues to create a comedy of errors.

A short but non-exhaustive list of problems I have include:

• Horrible framerate even on a mid-level system and lowest graphics settings
• Silent specialists (WHY is this still a thing)
• A complete and utter lack of failure to communicate with the community, with a bad reason as to why
• Gacha crafting system that exists purely to keep players on the loot treadmill and dissuade people from trying out new weapons
• Obnoxious achievement requirements that would literally need thousands of hours of play in order to get 100% completion
• Achievements that need to be completed in private games for literally no reason
• Inexcusably long loading times and lack of caching
• Entirely one-dimensional characters whose backstory is only hinted at, which is honestly standard in 40k so it’s more GW’s fault
• The inability to change voice, gender, or height after character creation
• Dogs refusing to behave in a consistent manner
• Mutants being constantly loud annoyingly frequently
• Poxbursters spawning behind corners or doors you’re next to, leaving zero time to react to them and taking damage for literally no reason
• Being forced to navigate through a gigantic hub world and not giving players the option to just do things from the main menu
• The MTX shop somehow being perfectly fine despite all of these other issues
• The fact that some of these issues can be fixed with mods

I’m through. I can’t tolerate it anymore. I’m uninstalling as of today and refuse to play more until FS gets it together and actually starts working on their video game again instead of putting out 7GB cosmetic hotfixes. It wasn’t done on release, it still isn’t done, and it will probably continue not to be done in the future.

This thread has excellent ideas on how to improve the game and I think it would be good to start there.

Mostly fair points. the sound issues were fixed today. For the achievements, you’ll just have to bite the sour apple and get friends to help you cheese complete them.

For the caching issue, there is hilariously a mod that fixes it on the Nexus.

[CobaltNinja]

I actually ran out of memory and crashed frequently with that mod. Friggin’ mourningstar. I just use Psych Ward now.

[MarxistDictator]

Yeah due to that stupid memory leak thing dark cache will worsen your experience with it. My only work arounds to it are playing a character with a small inventory (I made a Zealot for voice spamming rod, no regrets) or just not swapping loadouts ever. Really fun mix to the gameplay said no one. No traction on this issue is kinda miffing me.

[HisDudeness]

Lmao they just did a patch today a week later… Definitely some valid takes here tho.

And they should’ve told us a big patch is coming when they dropped a big update of just BS. They should have known that would upset people.

But they are working on it and today’s patch is very promising