You fully convinced me with your post that we should remove cheat mods.
Give me a report button and a form to fill out, and I will report each and every mod I find that might infringe on our enjoyment and fairness of experience.
Fatshark should adhere to me, as I would spam and scream in the forums until they act and I dedicate my life to suppressing each and every mod I deem cheating. I can’t wait until this process is streamlined due to my constant bickering, whining and hostility, and I just need to report them to a System. This will go on and I’ll create a mountain of review work until they are fed up with my constant complaints about each and every mod, and they just shut down the whole API completely.
Thank you, you really opened my eyes on the issue and I can’t wait for Fatshark to act upon your well-founded and healthy arguments!
You saying there’s an interpretation to a wallhack mod that concludes it’s not cheating?
I get what people are saying about the grey areas, but this one isn’t a grey area. There’s rarely something as black and white as an actual wallhack. That’s cheating and there’s no way anyone could argue otherwise without just appealing to muddy waters and saying “but other mods aren’t so clear cut”. Well true but this one is.
Yeah I don’t think a vote would be clever, and I fully agree many things are subjective and not clear cut so it’s hard to navigate around. I’m just saying, this one really isn’t.
Also I forgot to point this out in imps post:
This is actually a hypothetical scenario that I want to avoid. But I’m not creating this scenario by complaining about cheat mods; the people who create the cheat mods are. You can’t just go “See? You complained so much about the well being poisoned that they shut it down so now NOBODY can drink water!” Yeah well I didn’t poison the well.
Agreed.
Cheat Mods are indeed a problem and those people, which create those, are to blame.
But that worry that FS may overract and pull the plug on all Mods is not coming out of nowhere.
Going back to the modded realm isn’t an option either.
We all had this discussion before and I already know that I’ll get flak for this:
IMO since this isn’t PVP, but PVE,
I think the impact of cheaty Mods on other players have to weight against the response.
to a degree, but I argue the moment someone uses software to fake a better performance, the sole reason to me to keep playing in order to steadily increase mine, he does actively act “against” me the same way one pumped chuck full of drugs in a race makes #1, compared to a second or third after years of training.
at a certain point it aint the win of a match that sets the “dopamine” but the “faster, better, more efficient” and seeing your playstyle outperform others on various scales.
true, one cooperates as far as the situation allows (yolo-rezzes are usually ill advised) and don’t fkk each other over otherwise.
apart from that, them 3 other randoms are variables as to how the map reacts towards me and if that “reaction” is “fake” due to game altering software that changes their behavior, their “reason for existence” in the first place is null and void and i’d be better off with solo mode/bots.
Right, but as I’ve always asked throughout this entire thread that no one seems to want to answer- how do you measure the impact to you and your personal metrics when they use performance enhancers?
One cannot even prove other randoms are using x-ray mods (just keeping it focused on those to keep it simple) unless they actively notify you in some way, much less measure how much it worsened your experience directly. The only practical options are to disable all mods or have a black-list system that needs to be actively managed by someone ($).
I think the strongest point has always been that Fatshark may inadvertently balance around a cadre of people using these mods, but IDK that for a fact, maybe their most trusted play-tester group is made of purists who don’t use mods (like me :D).
Thing is, we can’t control other people.
Mods or not.
Factors give advantages to others, that you or I might not have.
In the end I just want to have a good round.
I want to play good & fair and help my team to win.
I just want to have fun.
I try to make it so that others have fun, playing with me and we all have a good time.
If someone think’s they need to compete with me, I let them,
because I don’t care and I won’t join their game.
If someone fakes skill, as far as this is even possible with Mods, I don’t mind.
They are cheating themselves.
If I notice, my respect drops, but I won’t change my behaviour.
I think I’m a upper-middle-level player, with good skill,
who uses some Mods for bonus information.
I am a team player.
And this is the ultimate metric by which I judge other players.
oh geez, memory glitch, what’s this “youtube boxer” called that claims he’s the hot ,challenges everyone and his mom and gets his ass whooped then even by granny joining in ???
it’d be something like that in a match, people totally oblivious throughout normal maneuvering throug the map, to the point you doubt they even know its layout.
but right before a tasty spawn door or floor “hole” (no, not the hentai hole ) opens they’re on it like a pointer on a fox yelling “cheerio”
guys behave like a literal idiot-savant, 95% dead weight but these 5 times a clown car is even on the horizon, they nail it 10/10
if stuff like that happens for the total duration of the match and it’s not matching the overall performance of the character, it stinks to say the least.
is it fool proof? unless I tie the dude to a chair and give him the liam neeson treatment
I won’t have definitive answers
but if it
walks like a
quacks like a
and leaves copious amounts of green crap in its wake, it usually aint a golden retriever
aye, but playing “good” for my personal scale involves pushing me beyond what was my yesterdays best.
kinda emphasized by the crap I need to go through medical wise, so every inch of “i’m still in there” and maybe improve upon, I clench until
thanks mate, had a wild ride and need to check back in in january for round 2 since for some “reasons” they messed up a bag of stem cells and couldn’t do the routine they originally planned.
safety first, cause the alternative would be certain as your bone marrow gets literally obliterated.
on an ingame scale, 3 weeks of not using certain muscles had me
first match and i was pretty pissed at my own forearms for feeling that clumsy.
5 hours in I “killed bill” and clutched an auric maelstrom again.
so shaking off the rust did help the first time, I’ll do my best to get out of round 2 without looking like 12 against tyson
Because OFC this is this only solution, and this was my secret end-goal all along and all that time I spent authoring mods was just a cover, well done Holmes!
You guys are something else, trying and repeating every silly rhetorical trick and easily debunkable argument based on logical fallacies over and over hoping one will land. Decades of this nonsense but I guess it’s all new to some of you youngins.
Translation:
“I love my cheat mods and can’t play without them, please stop shining a light on them!”
PowerDI and Numeric UI are still mods I like to run. Darktide is missing a lot of fun and QOL features, I don’t think you should get rid of all of them.
I hid the hud weapon carousel because the active weapon takes up 15% of my screen and I can usually tell the difference between a bolter and a rashad if I’m allowed two guesses.
Sherklok, it seems the base game has a cheating problem too. We are not done removing the cheat mods; we need to redo the whole Veteran class, as it can basically enable a wallhack on button press. This is basically cheating and should be removed instantly! Thank me later for noticing!
,challenges everyone and his mom and gets his ass whooped then even by granny joining in ???
) opens they’re on it like a pointer on a fox yelling “cheerio”
as your bone marrow gets literally obliterated.
