A plea for Veteran news

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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I might not agree with all this, but I don’t think it matters either way. Even if you feel like Vet should be on the backburner, that doesn’t mean that this shouldn’t be communicated proactively and transparently. My ask was for news. I’d be pissed if the news was “We decided y’all are fine” but at least it’d be news.

Additionally, feeling like Veteran is in a good spot doesn’t change the fact we were promised something. As a Darktide player you should want the devs to keep their promises even when they don’t impact you. A culture of unaccountability wouldn’t make the game better for any of us.

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LOL I mean you’re not wrong OFC, but where ya been the last 2 years, or longer really as this is FS’s MO and it has only gotten worse.

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Getting the same treatment from Bungie while playing D2 :smiling_face_with_tear::joy:

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Vet shovels and ogryn shovels really aren’t remotely the same in actual usage. The vet shovels are more like fast 1h hammers with good crowd control, good hordeclear, and depending on the mark an amazing stagger special or decent single target damage hit. Also get uncanny strike which turns it into an extremely versatile wep and destroy armor masses together with some other vet stuff.
Ogryn shovels are closer to thunder hammer/combat axe hybrids. The stagger seems superficially the same but it’s a joke attack that doesn’t stagger anything on ogryn. The folded hits are notably better than the vet ones and use brutal momentum to kill multiple things at once (which has been nerfed to no longer work as well with Ogryn enemies though) which vets shovel doesn’t do

As for the rest of your point, last we heard was “vet hasn’t gotten much lately, but he will” and we don’t know the contents of the next update yet, but they confirmed they’ll trickle in over the next weeks. Fatshark is stingy with info sure, but we’re literally about to get it across the next week or two. It wouldn’t surprise me if Vet got a weapon too.

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Shotgun is hot garbage but Helbore could be fixed without touching its stats imo

Just make enemy spam less prevalent and fix the damn mesh bug that makes its sights unusable.

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Just to clarify, Brutal Mom won’t work at all on Ogryns, changed back in correction: Summer '24.

	local is_ogryn = target_breed_or_nil and target_breed_or_nil.tags and target_breed_or_nil.tags.ogryn
	local melee_infinite_cleave_on_headshot_non_ogryn = buff_extension:has_keyword(buff_keywords.melee_infinite_cleave_on_headshot) and not is_ogryn

Yeah a bad grutin’ joke that seems to not want to go away…

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I heard DraftKings is taking bets on Vet’s next update.

15 to 1 Plasma pistol
10 to 1 A lasgun you don’t want or autopistol variant
30 to 1 The lasgun you do want
45 to 1 Heavy stubber
5 to 1 A fist weapon to remind ogryns who the Emperor’s favorite class is
100 to 1 Rannick’s Revolver

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Tangent here, but I used to work for a company that made digital slot machines and DraftKings was one of our clients. I think we made like, some special sport-themed branded slots for them.

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SlopSlots LLC

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1000 to 1
Skill tree rework to make vet have the same level of skill expression and ability as psyker and zealot

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Vet already has the most variety weaponwise and gameplay wise

This is very disingenious. So disingenious it is, in fact, borderline callous.

Very few people use most of his autoguns and rifles. Very few of them are viable on Auric Damnation these days let alone Havoc, playing a weapon that takes almost a whole clip to kill one Mauler in the body or misses half the shots, unless the target is point blank, is “gameplay variety”?

Weapons like shotguns, las pistol and bolter are accessible to other classes and work as well on them, with the sole exception of Recon Lasgun due to Shock Trooper talent. This gameplay variety? The variety that other classes have an access too?

I wonder when was the last time you played those “gameplay variety” weapons without relying on Voice of Command? Pox Gas makes Exe Stance unplayable, Havoc as well. People who play ranged sniper with Hellbore Lasgun nowadays run Voice of Command, because the marksman keystone and Exe Stance are very underpowered.

As someone who’s really good at hitting headshots with most weapons, I can tell you that even if you hit the majority of headshots on Vet to get the full buff (25% base/25% weakspot) every time, it’s just not enough. And yes, I still play Exe Stance, because I hate relying on crutch in every single build. There’s risk, but barely any reward for playing Exe Stance.

Tell me, is it not a problem all builds come down to relying Voice of Command? Exe Stance is weak against elites with most weapons and current enemy density of 20 Ragers attacking at the same time, Stealth is for doing objectives and revives. But if someone revives first, it’s a weaker version of VOC that just restores your toughness.

Is there not a problem that devs push Vet to play melee where he will always be a second fiddle to Zealot?

Psyker is the highest DPS class in the game and consistently deals 1 million damage in Havoc without relying on ammo or headshots, but people complain about Vet’s Plasma Gun?

Smoke Grenades??? Literary a blitz nobody uses? Even the worst blitzes on other classes see SOME use. Infantry Lasguns are underpowered, on Havoc they require multiple crit headshots to kill some targets.

I like how every Vet conversation with people who actually don’t play Vet comes down to, “Well he has Voice of Command and Plasma Gun already, if anything they need more nerfs”.

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Vet can bring literally any loadout or skill into auric maelstrom and do great. He has grenades that cover whichever weakness his loadouts have, letting him have the most build variety. He has the most unique weapons and has the most viable builds for non-unique weapons, giving him the best weapon variety too. He also has the most viable setups on H40.
Vet does not play second fiddle to Zealot in melee. In fact, Vet is the strongest melee class in the game and he has the highest selection of H40 viable melee weapons.

You also conflate things here. Psykers have the highest damage in havoc on average because of uncapped AoE weapons and dots being strong. Plasma gun is complained about because it trivializes aurics.

I agree VoC is too strong, that’s why it needs its CD tripled or something. The last change the skill saw was a CD decrease which is absolutely mindboggling. It needs to be high cooldown to reflect its high impact.

You mean the conversation you just had with the strawman in your head? Yeah that guy does say some silly stuff. Also just for the record, Vet is my second most played class precisely because he has so much variety. You can make any of the shared weps work on the guy. I bring double barrel shotty and shovel into H40 regularily.

PS: Exec stance is more common than you think on H40.

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Sadly, my ways mostly involved Javascript. I do not recommend it.

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Voc honestly just needs its gold toughness replaced with increasing regular toughness so it’s no longer a get out of jail free card for melee hits but still gives you leverage on ranged

Tripling its cooldown will just ruin it

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I’ve already replied to that. What’s good about those “unique weapons”, if most of them are a) inferior weapon marks b) break due to Havoc limitations c) other classes have as much variety if not more.

Zealot can run Crusher, Thunder Hammer, Flamer, Relic Blade. Every Psyker staff is viable along with Force Swords and 2h Sword. Are we gonna count all the marks?

Good luck landing that 5+ headshots on a single Dreg Gunner to kill them with the best mark of Infantry Lasgun. Good luck having enough ammo on autoguns to kill everything you need and godawful accuracy without Exe Stance buffs for recoil control.

So, basically Vet only has Power Swords (1 mark really), Hellbores (2 marks, the fastest firing one is pointless to bring) and Plasma Gun. I’m not seeing how they have the most viable builds, compared to other human classes. If I’m generous I’d say the options are about the same, even though playing staff Psykers is way more enjoyable than running stuff like Hellbores.

Are you gonna substantiate your claim or you just gonna repeat that statement multiple times, before it sticks?

Vet relies on VOC for melee. Without it, he folds like a paper. Zealot deals more damage with both knife and duelling sword loadouts, and has more survivability at any times, not just with VOC up like Vet. Zealot is the only class that can tank multiple oneshots and survive.

Are you talking about Power Sword loadouts when you say it’s the best melee class? Sure, when you have Relic and Bubble shield in a competent team, on top of VOC, you have the means to swing it all the time not suffering from the lack of good dodges. Every other melee weapon? Zealot wins it, even if they don’t run FOF. Also if your teammates go down, it gets insanely difficult to survive with Power Sword. It’s a weapon I wouldn’t bring when playing Havoc 40 with randoms.

There’s a reason most good players do solo/duo runs with Zealot, and not any other class. When you say the class is “the strongest”, you don’t just count one build that works under perfect conditions with good teammates.

That’s called “an outlier”.

I’ve played Havoc 40 every week since the release. This is not true. I’ve never seen Vets with Exe Stance in my lobbies, and I barely see any Stealth Vets. Last Stealth Vet I’ve played with in Havoc 40 caused a wipe by running ahead by himself and dying, thinking he’s a Zealot.

More common than I think is like… a few people in dozens upon dozens lobbies?

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You keep saying random things like only helbore guns and plasma guns are viable. Total nonsense. You’re even ignoring a whole array of very powerful like the bolter or revolver. It’s funny that you accuse me of just saying something repeatedly until it sticks when the best I could describe your argumentation is as “saying random stuff”

Here’s what I can do: My claim is that all weapons are viable for auric maelstrom on Vet, and he makes better use of them than any other class even for the less-good ones (with very few exceptions, like I think that zealot is better suited for chain weapons because of how they work). I’m not going to describe how to build all of them here unprompted because that’d be labor, but feel free to challenge me. I’ll tell you exactly how to build each weapon and wether it’s H40 viable or just auric maelstrom viable (literally all of them). Ask about any weapon, I’ll tell you.

Why, because you can’t dodge? This statement makes no sense. What folds him?

mobility

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“a whole array”

So, weapons that Zealots has access too and performs almost as well with them? XD

Why, because you can’t dodge? This statement makes no sense. What folds him?

Power Sword doesn’t have objectively good dodges. And I’ve already told you it’s a loadout carried by VOC, if anything. So yeah, one weapon makes class the best, if they’re playing perfectly, nice reasoning.

Even tacaxe can handle multiple Crushers, Bulwarks and Ragers better than Power Sword.

You easily killing horde enemies in a powered swing doesn’t make Vet the best at melee.

And yes, I play shovel too as melee. It’s good. But not Zealot kind of good. It’s just a weapon that has a great horde clear against basic horde enemies and improves survivability.

But double barrel shotgun on Vet in Havoc?..

Isn’t Vets main job in Havoc to kill shooters and specials, unless they are running Bolter/Plasma Gun for elites? What double barrel is gonna bring to the table with it’s awful breakpoints, in Havoc 40 it can’t even twoshot most enemies on any distance but point blank, let alone elites.

It takes multiple shots to kill even a basic shooter across the room. What are you gonna do against snipers and bombers which Vet should target first, as it is the easiest class to deal with them?

You playing with a weapon you like doesn’t mean it’s viable or good. In fact, it sounds like you’re just playing with friends who carry you with weird loadouts.

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I specifically asked you to ask me about a weapon. Go ahead. Don’t hide behind putting words in my mouth. Bolter and revolver are examples I gave, but I also said any weapon. Go ahead and tell me which ones you disagree with.
Just to be clear, I’m saying Vet can make literally any weapon work well enough to carry Auric Maelstrom. I’m also saying he has more build variety at H40 than any other class. If you disagree, tell me which weapons in your eyes aren’t auric maelstrom viable, or tell me which class you think has more build variety so we can compare. I’m not “saying stuff until it sticks” I am telling you to tell me where you disagree so I can tell you why you’re wrong.

I’ll probably reply to the rest of your post if you stop dodging this question.

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only helbore guns and plasma guns are viable

Nowhere did I say that.

You claimed that Vet has the most unique options in Havoc.
You claimed that Vet is the best melee class.

I asked you which weapons does Vet has, OTHER THAN HELLBORES, PLASMA and POWER SWORD, which are viable for high Havoc. Nowhere did I claim Bolter and original Revolver are not viable. I also showed you that both Zealot and Psyker have as MANY unique weapons for Havoc builds, if not more (if you don’t consider clearly inferior weapon marks).

But does Vet perform with those weapons that he shares with OTHER CLASSES better than them? Not really, no. Because Vets ranged power comes from Exe Stance, and it’s underpowered currently, especially in Havoc. So since Vet mostly plays VOC with Stealth a bit, his ranged firepower is about the same as Zealot and is worse than Psyker.

The only good “ranged” thing Vet has going for him is Shock Troop talent, which makes Recon Lasgun an S-tier gun on Vet, on Zealot it’s B-tier maybe.

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Assuming any class has a role in darktide is a mistake, db is extremely op lol.

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