Before any class talents are considered, FGS Mk VI takes around 7 hits to kill a H40 Crusher, Relic Blade Mk II takes 8, or more like 7.5. The main difference is that FGS anti-armour combo consists only of heavy attacks, and relic blade Mk II combo starts with a light attack before you can lock into the heavy attack chain. If you start the chain with a powered stab, you are down to 7 hits 
You canât really compare them in a vacuum like that. Part of what makes FGS the better weapon apart from doing comparable damage without the powerup gimmick, is the superior blessings pool. Imagine what it could do in zealotâs hand with shred riposte, or better yet, hive scum.
Both marks are literally the best melee weapons in the game, surpassing even the almighty DS4 in terms of overall performance.
Before the DLCs dropped, Zealot used to be my main by far in terms of hours played. But right now, to me, heâs a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none kind of class (not including Martyrdom builds because I hate hate hate this super high-risk high-reward stuff).
Thereâs just a myriad of tiny annoying things that pop up in my head when trying to build him as a traditional frontliner (and not some VT2 Shade expy that kites stuff and dumps aggro all day):
- The generally good stuff (Dance of Death, Abolish Blasphemers, Faithful Frenzy, Prime Target, RiposteâŚ) is completely spread out in the tree
- Blazing Piety is good but synergizes only with some weapons
- Inexorable Judgement is versatile but a big talent point sink
- He suffers from having no reliable nodes for Finesse or Weak Point damage bonus (except Duellist, which requires the nitpicky servers to register a successful dodge, and then it lasts a generous 3 seconds).
Itâs like, he needs stuff to rely less on successful dodging. It feels like heâs missing 2 talent points to be complete and competitive compared to the DLC classes, or even just Psyker or Veteran.
Iâm sorry I still donât understand what you mean, the problem must be me. Are you saying the FGS have comparable armored damage to a powered up relic blade, or that it doesnât?
Also, the reason a zealot is preferable swinging a bigass sword in the thicc of it, is that despite what everyone would have you think, a melee psyker is still made of paper compared to a zealot.
Trust me the special is the least problematic part of it
The issue is that itâs basically a powered Relic Blade a 100% of the time that it doesnât require to manage the heat system like Relic Blade does, while also having an extremely easy moveset
If you donât build right⌠Psyker has insane survivability if built right. Only thing missing is a one shot preventing skill. And frankly that is ok!
9 second downtime on relic blade isnât that punishing, I very rarely catch myself wishing for my blade to cooldown like right now. I would say both marks have a better horde / mixed horde clear and stagger vs rager clumps than FGS. I have around the same amount of levels on both classes (around 1000). If I had to choose between both setups in H40, I would pick a tanky relic blade build over melee psyker every time. Comparable damage output, FAR more safety / survivability.
I agree FGS Mk VI moveset is a bit meh, somehow I always gravitate to Mk VIII.
The thing is your survivability is only better on melee seeds. Psyker survivability against ranged is much higher.
because even with the changes, the aggro dumping is a real headache to deal with. actually competent shroudfield players are few and far between as well
and by âcompetentâ i donât mean exercising in mechanical skill (anyone can click buttons fast), i mean people who are capable of using half of their braincell for two seconds
if youâre not running above 250 then youâre not a real gamer letâs be real
Red Ping Gamers
With overload its 7 seconds and you can truly brain off just ignore the heat mechanic
If Psyker were as easy and overpowered as you and OP make it seem to be, Psykers would be as prevalent as Hive Scum. Except they arenât and there is a reason for that - much higher skill floor and ceiling. You can claim OP all you want, doesnât change the fact the class requires much more fine tuning in terms of skills and awareness than every other class. Also, if what I said is an âinsane leap in logicâ then you arenât very logical to begin with.
In my experience they are more prevalent then scum but anecdotal fallacy and that jazz.
No, itâs just that suggesting DS is fine on Psyker is an absolute dog water take.
Iâm not even engaging with the idea Psyker is super high skill floor when theyâve been given safety net after safety net over the years, some of which were already pointed out to you by Vror.
Yeah Psyker is kinda easy nowadays, pick rate is affected by a hundred factors, I donât need other playersâ choices to tell me what I can directly observe.
Why are you arguing that a class canât be OP if it takes more effort than another?
Same in my experience and letâs not forget how Smyking is a well known noob trap that created a stereotype by itself. Psyker has access to multiple OP brain-off tools while Scum is a paid DLC class that requires some more effort to play.
Literally the very first game I played on Asia server in a year had 3 Psykers. One that used only smite, another that used only inferno and a third that played the game but disconnected mid-mission.
Itâs hilarious how people are on here complaining about Psykers being OP when they are literally the least prevalent class ATM and we have Hive Scum one shotting 15+ elites in one button press. Your guys priorities are all over the place lol