Thoughts on Back Off?

[JanZamoysky]

It’s sarcasm, both weapons were overtuned even before these changes.

[gpkgpk]

@Headhunter

I think Back off seems bugged. Could of sworn swiped 2-3 enemies dead in one melee swing but still counts as 1 in stack.

Yeah it does appear limited to 1 kill per sweep, making it far less useful vs what’s described (but I guess too strong otherwise?).
I’m sure it’s by design but as usual, wrong description.
and the code

templates.ogryn_blo_melee = {
	class_name = "proc_buff",
	predicted = false,
	proc_events = {
		[proc_events.on_hit] = 1,
		[proc_events.on_sweep_start] = 1,
	},
	specific_proc_func = {
		on_hit = function (params, template_data, template_context, t)
			if not template_data.allowed then
				return
			end

			if not CheckProcFunctions.on_melee_kill(params, template_data, template_context) then
				return
			end

			template_context.buff_extension:add_internally_controlled_buff("ogryn_blo_melee_active_buff", t)

			template_data.allowed = false
		end,
		on_sweep_start = function (params, template_data, template_context, t)
			template_data.allowed = true
		end,
	},
}

At a glance, this line limits it to 1 kill per sweep template_data.allowed = false as there is a check and a return at the top of the on_hit func if it’s false (it then is allowed again on new sweep).

P.S. Reminder, if you DO actually branch to the right to take bleeds, dot kills aren’t melee or ranged.
P.P.S. Ah I knew I saw a report in passing.

"Back off!" Talent not stacking properly

Issue Type (Required): Talents Issue Description (Required): Cleaving multiple enemies does not give credit for “melee killing blows” for awarding stacks of back off Steps to Reproduce (Required): 1 select ogryn talent back off 2 kill multiple enemies in one melee attack 3 note that less stacks have been gained than enemies killed [PC] Do You Use Mods? (Optional): Yes, but I haven’t tried disabling them Reproduction Rate (Required): Constant (100%) Platform (Required): PC - Steam Upload …

[MixedLetters]

Yeah, I’ve noticed this as well. I also do think it stacks with the base chance, just due to when I use it, I usually will do a couple swipes into the wave (likely being around 3-5 stacks by the time I fire) and still will more often than not get a free shot fired when I do so. So one can still largely rely on it, but it would be cool if they let it properly be per kill verses per swing.