no?
If you worry bout def, you can just grab the 30% DR ulti node over 10% pushattack AS
I’ll never understand why you’re so hyperfocused on skilled players, despite making content for the majority of the playerbase which your crowd often deems “unfit” for Havoc 40.
The only difference between Chorus and other abilities is that one is a team-ability, and other skills do not apply to the rest of the team. Darktide is a co-op game, so it’s pretty obvious that teams with good synergies and good teamplay can in certain cases rival good solo players who have insane personal skill. There’s a reason many games have a lot of skilled players, but most of them don’t play in a pro-team, because being a good player and being a good teammate can be two different things.
No, we don’t need Chorus nerfs. There are already enough selfish players in the game who ignore revives, keep abilities for themselves and never cover you from the back, thinking they’re above such peasant tasks, and only take all the talents that improve their own perfomance (ignoring Field Imrov, Zealot’s 60% toughness shield, not taking 30%/40% buff nodes of Chorus etc).
There’s a reason every single meta ultimate, with the exception of Arbitrator’s, is a team-wide skill. It’s not about players being skilled or unskilled because of their ultimate’s choice, it’s only the matter of people willing to play more as a part of the team.
When I play FOTF or Stealth or Exe Stance, I end up regretting it when pox burster instantly kills psyker, because there’s no way to push them in melee without VOC, or when my team struggles against bosses which I could instantly kill with Chorus or stunlock them until death. FOTF and Stealth are good variety to play once in a while in Havoc, but you’re right, most people do make it about the ego. “It’s not skilled to play Chorus, it’s skilled to make it harder for your teammates which might not be as strong as you are”.
Agree to disagree
Disdain is still and prolly forever be, dogshit
Insecurity, being an edgelord in their 20s. They’ll grow up eventually, hopefully.
On the sidenote, shield of contempt sucks!
Yes, i like DR, If you like to play this way, i am not stopping you, i would use something like that: Build Editor - Create your own Builds - Warhammer 40k: Darktide - Darktide WH40k
Though, if i were to drop backstabber for disdain i would also take enemies within, enemies without, but i would then prefer fury altogether over stealth with relic blade.
Also enduring faith along with 10% damage can be dropped, because it won’t proc as much as with left keystone, soi would take boost to attack speed on push and something else, there’s enough options.
Bruh, stealth relic will oneshot H40 captain, fury has nothing on it. Also, 10% AS has 100% uptime with me, as I play mk2 
Blood redemption beats the crap outta restorative verses, while iwiw is your best toughness node. You also don’t need revive speed with stealth. You do you mate, but that build is all over the place for me.
I also don’t think PCT is better than MP anymore, especially at 2s duration. 50% regen is still -66% CD.
I’m interested in the video game. I like getting better at it and I try to make guides that help people also get better at it. There’s nothing wrong with being bad or just a average or whatever at the video game if you have fun with it, different players are trying to get different things out of their gameplay experience. But when people come to the table to talk about meta then the conversation has to include skill. That’s kinda the point isn’t it?
Thats why I make build guides that include fluff ideas on the one hand and talk about player skill and balance on the other. Everyone has something different they are after.
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stealth relic will oneshot H40 captain,
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I know, so what? Bosses generally lack threat, unless there’s way too many of them, like 5-6.
Recently had a game where my team won over triplets and other enemies in pretty limited space without one shot gimmicks, but still lost mission in the end without any bosses.
Months ago i watched video of very skilled psyker player, whose team was able to kill 5 of them in high havoc, that’s how little they matter.
I’d rather have general ability to deal with everything than gimmick ability to one shot bosses, some of who without other enemies got threat level of a fat poxwalker.
Well there is a factor of class fantasy and aestetical reason also. Probably not for a 4 premades. But i suppose there are still H40 players who don’t abandon things they find cool for the sake of super efficiency.
Idk. Chorus just needs to be changed or additional subnodes needed for the people who don’t gravitate towards aurabots.
- Either zealot pulls out flamer pistol/incendiary bolt pistol
- Or Chorus applies burning stacks
And it’s overall not epic enough, why zealot doesn’t sing litanies during Chorus?
Also i’m not sure it was a noobtrap before. I remember when Havoc was added, 4 zealots speedruning with Chorus was a nobrainer win. Especially on the maps with airlock doors. Not sure how it’s now.
I mean, I feel like I should have a reputation by now of feeling favorable towards class fantasy and aesthetics. But even if we disregard that
Its not that I think its weak its that I think players can do better and under the right conditions it isn’t better than other choices. If you like chorus play chorus.
Its fine IMO. Its a very good ability with good aesthetics it just isn’t a very engaging playstyle. I’ve yet to see a chorus change that could work better than what we have. After consideration every one I think about ends up being worse instead. I will continue to listen to what other people think on this point but for now I see it as good enough.
I’m not saying you are bashing class fantasy for no reason. It was just a remark
about class fantasy could be an extra factor why people gravitate towards something, probably a miniscuale one, but still a thing.
Step 1. Remove relic, replace it with big book in metal cover, like on ultimate picture.
Step 2. At the end of chanting zealot closes book, charges to the enemy and smacks him with it, damage scales with amount of waves of prayers (waves of chorus) he got. Extra damage if hit goes to the back of the head.
Peak engagement
On serious note and putting aside pre made teams/groups of friends, current ultimate/ability meta in havoc, is almost entirely consist from support ultimates:
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Meta zealot - chorus bot.
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Meta vet - screaming ammo purse.
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Ogryn - taunt.
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Psyker - bubble bot.
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Arbites - push bot. In it’s core it is offensive ability, but at the same time it is often better support than nuncio aquila.
Multiple times i saved someone from overhead, even without shock mines makes it easier to create and maintain chock points, set’s up enemies for skull crusher if allies have weapons with blessing.
In reverse same can be said about aforementioned support abilities, all of which can be used as offensive tools, like Rvl mentioned chorus can easily push boss from some edge, i personally did it many times, but at their core it’s a support skills, that don’t provide direct means of damage or boost to it.
I am not sure that this is ok.
Look you can build the crusher to do some intense damage if you really want to. This is really just simulating what martyrdom and a couple other buffs can do on a crit. Sure you won’t 1 hit crushers every single time, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying you can burst most of a crusher’s hp in one hit, pretty regularly, and you don’t have to rely on fury charges to do so.
2.5x crit multi on weakspots. Do with this what you will.
Speaking of not exactly meta armor killing, the Mk15 eviscerator with bloodthirsty is 100% certified fresh and good if extremely risky. I tried making a Bloodthirsty loadout with the chainaxe but it’s no where near as functional a weapon without 2 power blessings doing some lifting. When you harvest that first Crusher and rip through the entire pack with free crits you channel some pretty good darktide feels.
Without building up skirmish or any buffs you can one shot a crusher with chaxe on vet. I wasn’t kidding when I said that earlier. Bloodthirsty also activates exploit weakness, meaning you can easily chain one hit ragers or maulers with the special. Try it on vet and you might find it more to your liking. I don’t know what breakpoints are like for havoc with it, but for auric you don’t need a strength blessing to be carving through hordes. Especially with skirmisher, exploit weakness and precision strikes. If you need the extra damage for cleave on horde clear just get competitive urge.
edit: oh and the one shots work on rager body with exploit weakness but without skirmisher or mauler body if you have both
You looked my computer? that’s my build I used yesterday with a little variation (I like DR on weakspot kill)
Sidenote. Problem here is to define what we are talking about.
If you speak about zealot in HAVOC, sure they use Chorus, and sure they loose lot of DPS.
But out of this (and I consider that playing havoc is accepting the game mode itself - = don’t complain), the zealot is a monster of damage.
Only class that outnumbers it easily: psyker (and I say what I think about this)
And I agree with Reginald about DS… when will they balance this weapon seriously? this weapon kills all metrics
Despite what inspect mods seem to be suggesting, making a purpose built coherent loadout is not all that complicated.