So I get it that Hive Scum is defenitely not interesting at all thematically wise … But are we really gonna ignore Arbites? What if Hive Scum was the first DLC class? Because honestly, that’s all I really see going for Arbites He’s essentially Free stagger guy with a dog that can pin down targets or free yourself, yet somehow Arbites didn’t get 20% of the complaints Hive Scum got We’re getting so much more with Hive Scum Yet all the complaints come from either the a trailer being horrendous (which is a truth nuke), or the class not being admech related, like it’s literally this [IMG_6671]

Arbites looks awesome plus he’s got a dog. Even if his talents were mid or clones he was only about as much cash a premium skin. It was a no brainer purchase for me.

[image] jerkface: There were also arbite themed cosmetics before Arbites released. I don’t think there were, and don’t think GW would let them. I rememebr Palanite Enforcers only. [image] jerkface: There are rogue trader themed ones as well but that shouldnt stop Fatshark from adding a “Rogue Trader” style class if they have the design for it. It’s not that it stops. But if you design class you design unique cosmetics that reflects class fantasy and identity. You can’t buy death cult assassin or crusader set for veteran, or psychik collar for ogryn. [image] jerkface: Edit: Sorry have to add this, there are 6 personalities, multiple cosmetics, multiple new weapons, a 30 point talent tree with VFX & a completely secondary 30 point talent tree supporting a unique mechanic. There is no way, in hell, that Ganger is an “emergency content drop.” Voicelines are probably the most time consuming here. DT cosmtics are poor chinese outsource conveyor, not even serious to bring it. Melee weapons are mundayne - crowbar, meataxe. There are no vfx or animation heavy stuff like with power or chain weapons having unique animations. 30 talents is a bit kek, considering how much of them are just vet+zealot recycle. Akimbo guns is a mechanic from V2, nothing crazy there. Stimms - who knows, but my bet those are just V2 trinket traits copypaste like proxy, concotion, etc. [image] jerkface: I am sorry it wasnt the one you were pining after. No need, it’s classic FS yet again. They almost did a Blizzard move but DoNt YoU GuYs LiKe GaNgErS? [2m2qc9]

[image] anon61080228: I don’t think there were, and don’t think GW would let them. I rememebr Palanite Enforcers only. Palanite Enforcers are basically Arbites light, not officially a part of the team but the planetary police force of necromunda that operates in every way as an Arbites do including using the same gear & nomenclature. Basically as connected to the class as any “ganger” affiliated cosmetic would be. [image] anon61080228: It’s not that it stops. But if you design class you design unique cosmetics that reflects class fantasy and identity. You can’t by death cult assassin or crusader set for veteran, or psychik collar for ogryn. Yes and ganger will get them. There are already tons of “cross class” cosmetic themes, even for ones that don’t make total sense (sanctioned psykers and ogryns for Krieg). Crusader is absolutely guard adjacent though btw, ex-guard→ zealot crusader pipeline is real. [image] anon61080228: Melee weapons are mundayne - crowbar, meataxe. There are no vfx or animation heavy stuff like with power or chain weapons having unique animations. 1 you still need to animate it all the same, and I don’t think power or chain weapons are somehow more complex animation wise to be a heavier lift. New weapons are new weapons and require the same diligence unless they are literal reskins.

[image] jerkface: are basically Arbites light So it’s a mental gymnastics here? There were no arbites cosmetics for non-arbites classes, right? They are close in equipment, not in their role. Arbites main role is to collect and escort tithe, including human resources like psykers on the Black Ships. They perform riot supression raids when riots can sabotage Imperium’s control over a planet and so tithe gathering. Palanite Enforcers is a local planetary force on steroids. It’s like saying that PDF are basicaly Astra Millitarum. You see the thing here is that you can argue with me how ganger is cool and that you are personally happy. But just like it was with locks damaging the game, despite all the feedback, FS keeps being deaf towards community requests. You may disagree with community sentiment, you can think people are overreacting, but this is the reality, and it’s not a surprise sadly.

[image] Antilus: i’ve got my milage when the game was just that, after patch 13 which ruined my favorite class i havn’t play much Wow, I thought I’m negative, but you guys are jaded as f…:joy: Are you still moping around because of how the veteran has changed 1.5 YEAR ago? I might or might not buy the new class, either way there is plenty of ways to have fun in the game as it is.

[image] JanZamoysky: Are you still moping around because of how the veteran has changed 1.5 YEAR ago? It’s uh… even longer shockingly [image] Patch #13: Class Overhaul Part 1 Announcements [Patch_13_PatchNotesAssets_Steam_In_Text_Banner] Devoted Rejects! Here are the Patch Notes for Patch #13: Class Overhaul. Not all our notes would fit in one post! To read the rest of the patch notes please click here to continue reading. New Features & Improvements Talent Trees We have replaced the old Feats with new Talent Trees! Instead of unlocking a new row of feats every 5 levels, you will now be granted one Talent Point for each level you reach, to a maximum of 30 points at level 30. … We’ve had post-patch 13 Vet for twice as long as pre-patch 13 Vet at this point going by this… :skull: (though I’ve got no clue why the FS site tries to gaslight everyone with notes dated April '24 :person_shrugging:)

My main complaint going into Arbites was that it wasn’t going to be the most interesting class to play. The weapons made it worse, I use shields or I don’t play it feels too redundant to the rest of the game. I basically only go back to it periodically when I want to play bully for a random team and not try at all. It is markedly better than ogryn at that with conventional dodge duration and hitbox size. Unless you are that rumblorc I guess but that feels even more boring than flame psyker.

I think both Hive Scum and Arbites suffer from the issue of not being unique enough gameplay wise. I’d like the classes to be as distinct as the difference between Psyker and Ogryn, or Waystalker and Slayer. This sort of breadth just isn’t there in DTs DLC classes. Arbites feels like a mix of existing classes and Hive Scum looks like it will too. The dog made Arbites interesting for me though, let’s see if the stim mechanic manages to do the same for Hive Scum. Hope they drop more info on that.

I assume most people are trained to shoot a pistol with both hands on it Gangers… Perhaps dual wielding is their standard, so they’re simply more proficient using 2 guns than those who normally don’t.

The hypocrisy is fun

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SymboJones November 19, 2025, 7:32pm 72

It’s uh… even longer shockingly

We’ve had post-patch 13 Vet for twice as long as pre-patch 13 Vet at this point going by this…

(though I’ve got no clue why the FS site tries to gaslight everyone with notes dated April '24 )

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The hypocrisy is fun

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