Interesting. I play Havoc 40 with a couple friends, two of which have sub 100 hours playtime. One has 50 hours. We’re able to clear H40 just fine thanks to shield and gold toughness. We talk about random topics on voice while clearing Havoc with intermittent calls.
I hope you understand why I shared my perspective and how it relates to what you’re saying. We’re using it as a crutch because my friends are new and never played a tide game before. Those things are just that OP.
PATHETIC 
Put it in The Book of Grudges !!
when someone is doing something that is as frame perfect as a machine, every time without fail, its safe to say theyre probably using a machine and not doing it themselves, occam’s razor
Good lord, are you guys playing games just to be masochists? If you enjoy being abused this much, why not just go play Dark Souls or Elden Ring? Oh yeah, these things are “just that OP,” aren’t they? Anything you can’t master or any build that’s actually effective just has to be nerfed, right? Your logic is incredible—do you honestly believe the game is only “balanced” when everyone is struggling as miserably as you are?
Just a heads up, your AI wrote some stuff that makes no sense. We’re using it as a crutch because my friends have 50 hours. We can beat H40 just fine with them, yet you claim for you (a supposed great player) they’re required to beat H40.
Do you see the discrepancy?
thats clearly a macro, no doubt
Just mean you can not even understand what I am talking about
Yeah that tends to be the case when translating stuff with AI. I’m sure if I translated english into chinese a lot of it wouldn’t make sense either. Something about fly horses. Pegasus?
skill issue, these games are not difficult
i played a few times on NA east when it was late night here in europe and evening over there, and i found the lag not unbearable, but i could notice it clearly, compared to european servers. shots that should have hit, didnt, i took melee hits out of thin air, it was like animations were not consistent. i played only a few times on NA, so my experience with this is quite limited. but i imagine that playing on chinese servers from EU or NA would be even worse, so i don’t really see why someone from asia would come to play in our regions.
i think you missed the whole part where we are want things nerfed so the enemy count can be as well
theres a much larger picture than just nerfing the OP stuff, but youre hyperfixating on the nerfs and not the purpose theyre supposed to serve when it comes to the health and fun of the game as a whole
its not fun fighting a million of the same elite all at once regardless what build youre running, but thats the only way to challenge what most people run, so if those are taken down a notch the enemies can be too, so its more enjoyable to play as a whole
having fun is the end goal, the word nerf can be a vehicle to reach it so please stop treating it like its the antithesis of it
You’re being a bit too idealistic about Fatshark. I’d be totally fine with nerfs if they actually scaled down the enemy density, but reality says otherwise. I distinctly remember an update where they buffed enemy health across the board without touching the spawn rates at all. Balancing should be a two-way street; nerfing players while making enemies tankier isn’t “fun”—it’s just a tedious slog.
Those types of updates specifically happened because of a pervasive but wrong idea that you can just “not nerf anything, buff enemies and spawn more of them instead”
Here is the order of operations that must happen, preferabyl as quickly as possible, preferably at the same time:
Nerf things that are too strong → adjust enemy spawnrates and health because you can no longer delete 5000 of them easily → adjust weak weapons to this powerlevel.
You cannot start with 2 because the game would suddenly become easy.
It’s very weird as to why they would play in NA servers. My assumption is that maybe it’s the time day or night, the player base in those regions has less Havoc-40 matches & they feel the need to look elsewhere. I personally don’t do this because I just cannot tolerate the ping at all. I know it’s just PvE game, but if my ping isn’t low, the hit registration is horrible for sure. It’s rare that I’ve played with Chinese players, but just from my personal experience it wasn’t for me at all. There’s been too many bad interactions, which is just plain weird whether or not that’s just a coincidence. Like some used macros, others would complain in chat about whatever else, etc, etc. That’s why I leave asap if they join the lobby.
I think this is it, VT2 had a similar dynamic when I played some months ago. At certain times of the day chinese players would start joining NA lobbies since it was late night for them
hit reg is one thing, but ping is more of an issue cuz of melee hits and specials tbh, disablers especially become impossible to dodge when youre over 150 ping after being used to around 40-80 for hundreds to thousands of hours, even just playing on eu servers, let alone HK servers has me biting the curb to stuff that wouldnt make me blink here on central US ping
When I played in the Asian server to try it out long ago, most of my shots were definitely not synchronized at all. It was hovering over like 200 ping, when I’m used to around like 30-60 in NA. When I went back to my home server it was perfect, so it’s surely isn’t soley just melee. I mean, I’m not absolutely a horrible shot, I used to be on a pro counter strike team as cringe as that actually is. There’s just no way that I was missing most of those shots, no chance.
even this page seems laggy, i click on liking some posts and nothing happens.
on this complaining about details in other people’s builds: that’s one reason why i think that havoc, especially h40, is something for premades. i don’t apply for a game, and i don’t have to explain my build to anyone.
But as far as I know, except for the Hong Kong server, the number of havoc 40-player rooms on other servers is pitifully small. Why is this? Is it because you are not even as good as the low-skilled and arrogant people you talk about