Some may say its good on normal game but on havoc high tier , its basically Most Useless weapon , Even u Make a Build focus on Cleaver , it still suk
so plz…atleast give it a bleed blessing like other combat blade or more rendering
I also want my cleaver rendered in emperor’s glory 8k full HD!
Jokes aside what are you talking about? That thing slaps hordes left and right… Are you talking about carapace damage? Which is the signed weakness?
Fatshark should just give crushers a weakpoint already
I dunno how much more buffs the universe could withstand before the game just auto ends from hitting the script limits in the background with spawns. But the ogryn cleaver’s single target profile attacks should have 550 power scaling, similarly to the other weapons in his class. there’s also the push stab on the Mk3 cleaver which seems erroneously weak atm at 450 power scaling…but I think the Obscurus one should be fixed first (L2 has 400 power, wtf is this 2023?)
Balance for Havoc; Buff Everything
(this is what we were warned against)
Really though, Carapace is the knife’s only weak damage profile. More rending is a bandaid for proper game/enemy balance. Besides, I luv me stabby cleaver in aurics!
I wouldn’t mind if if some blessings got changed to provide a bit of rending i.e. change Bash to make the special apply brittleness instead of the really mediocre 15% crit on push.
That’s a good point, crit perks/blessings on Ogryn are super underwhelming.
carapace for sure , everything cut hordes left and right and sky high now day anyway
I don’t think they can buff it that easily though. Its main problem it sucks vs carapace armor, same as many other weapons that became obsolete since FS decided to add challenge with carapace spam and buffed Crusher’s HP to boot. The only solution would be to remake movesets of those weapons by adding some attacks that can penetrate carapace - or remake armored eneimes by adding some reasonably accessible weakspots (ideally only activated when hit by those particular weapons, otherwise it will make meta like DS or RB or shivs even more OP). And that’s too much to expect from them.
give it a bleed blessing on crit wont hurt , it still does low ass damage but atleast fun
Have you not tried overwhelming force yet?
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The rebuttal “carapace is its only weakness” doesn’t fly as well when carapace hp was doubled.
That’s just my thoughts, though.
Every day that passes with Crushers not having a weakpoint somewhere is a sad day for game designers everywhere.
But cleaver cut hordes better. That’s the point: If carapace damage gets buffed horde cleave needs to be nerfed. And then you get the brunt club with another skin
Wish there was a destructable armor system - you crack crusher’s helmet and it’s infected/unyielding beneath. So some weapons would be good at destroying armor but not so good vs infested flesh, some weapons in reverse and some just can ignore armor partialy but penalized by ammo efficiency or damage or smthg.
The cleaver is inferior to the pickaxe at cleaving horde - its max targets 5 on the sweep attacks, while pick heavies hit 7 and crowd lights hit 6. The only advantage the cleaver has for cleaving is hitmass on the second heavy and the potential to hit multiple cleave stop targets with ‘unstoppable’ blessing.
I liked the blessing/punch idea for setting up carapace killing that was mentioned earlier. It would leave it as an undesirable option for dealing with a crusher wall (like a knife should be) while still giving you a fun way to deal with small amounts of armor
Ever since the batter nerfs this weapon does not actually cleave that well though. Other ogryn weps now kill more things outright and barely even need batter
I played around with Unstoppable before Havoc was a thing I think, It was one way to make Mk VI cleaver “fun”. Mk VI + GG combo was the only way I played Ogryn for quite a while.
In general I feel a lot of weapons were left “behind” due to the old Darktide weapon design philosophy, which meant they actually had weaknesses. A lot of newer weapons just barely have any.
Is there not a huge difference in speed? Aka attacks per minute?
I mean it has faster light attack speed loop, but those moves aren’t really for horde clearing, light heavy sweep is (especially on the difficulty ‘modifiers’ where they nerf you and make mid-high hitmass moves no longer hit multiple horde) which is like the same speed as a pick but also you hit less enemies and have struggles with armor and bosses. I like cleaver more for the move speed and the punch being funny.
