Psyker Pick n' Mix penance is not possible

EDIT: There has been some activity on this page lately. Notice that this is an old post and the game has changed a lot of since this post was made. The penance has been made significantly easier to perform due to all the Buffs Psykers have gotten since and even more so with the release of Shock Trooper modifier for missions. I will not remove the post since there is nothing to hide but please know the information is outdated and this particular problem does not exist anymore.

I was looking at the penances and what they reward and one thing caught my eye:

Pick n’ Mix

While on Heresy Threat or higher, use Brain Burst to kill 5 different Elite or Specialist enemies within 10 seconds.

Now clearly this is F’d up.

At Heresy or above, Brain Burst can’t one shot (at least majority) elites and specials. Is there even 5 different that can be one shot???

The brain burst cast time is 3 seconds so obviously you need to have the faster cast talent on class ability and we can assume the time starts from the first kill (as otherwise this is literally impossible).

The talent states “brain burst charges 25% faster” so one should assume that’s 25% increase in casting speed => 3s / 1.25 = 2.4s per cast. It takes 9.6s to cast the rest 4 casts after your initial cast + you need to ult there somewhere which gives you a 10 second buff.

There is not a lot of wiggle room here, you only have 0.4s IN TOTAL between the targets that you have to start another cast, and definitely you can’t afford anything to not die in a single burst.

Assuming the talent wording is just a bit off and instead of increasing casting speed by 25% the talent would reduce the cast time by 25%. That would be 3s * 0.75 = 2.25s per cast and 9s for 4 casts. 1 second is better but sill not a lot of wiggle room there to change to a new target and definitely not any room for extra casts so everything has to be one shot kill.

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I really don’t think the penances will stay as they are

Most of them (the cosmetics ones that is) are all kinds of stupid, when they don’t just outright fail to register
Like, i just managed to collect a full horde of poxwalkers near a ledge to push them off, nothing
Checked the penance after the game, still stuck at 7/20 which was the value i had before

And even if they’re not broken or terribly designed, i refuse to force my teammates to spend their playtime cattering to my demands
And i’m saying force because once you asked in chat, you immediately make the person who says no look like an a-hole

It’d be nice to have some form of acknowledgement from Fatshark so that we all stop being cranky about it

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I’m genuinely surprised that they haven’t acknowledged it yet. I mean these things can’t be that hard to change, right? It’s not like adding more guns or reworking a class ability, presumably they just have to go change a few lines of text somewhere in the code. It’s been almost a week, and it’s pretty clear that a lot of people are unhappy about them, so why the radio silence?

I also think these achivements are designed to be impossible deliberately for the time being, so people cannot abuse beta bugs to get them, should they decide to not whipe progress when the game goes live.

I don’t believe it’s that easy, you never know with code, and they’re probably prioritizing some other stuff at the moment

But yea just a simple “we will look into it” would just appease most of us

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The thing about the challenges being impossible is that “abusing beta bugs” is literally one of the only ways to get them.

A prime example being the Veteran’s “take no melee damage” penance that you can complete by D/C’ing near the end of the mission and then just hopping in the escape vehicle after you reconnect.

If anyone has a decent guide how to do it, then I would welcome some assistance.

I am always stuck at 4 enemies. Either my teammates kill the enemies first or I am confronted with elites requiring more than one brain burst to kill.

Either way, this penance is IMHO, along the “Going out with a bang” and “Malleus Monstrosity” beyond stupid.

I hopped on the darktide discord and found a couple of groups to do runs with, took two days but got GoWaB and MM.

For PnM specifically, inner tranquility, warp battery, and kinetic barrage will help massively, especially if you intent to do it on damnation which might actually be easier since there’s plenty of elite spawns. I got mine with two shotgunners and 3 ragers on damnation randomly during a data interrogation on chasm logistratum strike mission.

Since you’re at the mercy of the ai director its best to find a team who don’t mind herding 5 elites for you, heretic ogryns shouldn’t be lumped in since their health pool is substantial. It is possible to get it without an organised team like i did, but it was shear happenstance. Gunners count too and they’re a one-shot with bb, on damnation quite often there’s a fair few, with a smattering of shotgunners.

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Oh and also, that new condition will make it much easier, forgot what its called but essentially the spawns of elites and specials are increased, you could prioritise those missions.

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it is totally easy, since they brought in the new hunting grounds. Pick the BB speed ability and just BB the incoming Dog packs.

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Just for any potential readers searching the internet for help, I did the penance some time ago.

Build: Quietitude, Inner Tranquility, Psychic Communion, Kinetic Deflection, Warp Battery, Kinetic Barrage.

Melee: Deflector Force Sword, Voidstrike Staff (does not matter much).

Mission: Heresy / Standard Specialist Gauntlet.

We did the mission in a private trio run, with Ogryn and Zealot. Getting a group makes it much easier.
Long story short, Ogryn and Zealot aggroed some specials/elites at the start of the map and I was able to firstly soften them up a bit and then finish them one by one with the brain burst. Funnily enough, I brain-bursted 6 times in the challenge time limit as my last target was a bulwark, which was left with a sliver of HP left after first brain burst. I started the attempt with one brain burst, zero peril and full stack of warp charges. I ulted after the first burst and finished off the rest of the targets.
Regarding the hunting grounds condition: I tried that too, but was never able to break the magical four specials, as there was always some dog that jumped me, or some trigger-happy veteran just doing his job and focusing specials.

It is possible… however I have given up this one… 4/5 can’t get 5/5

by the way I believe the countdown start at the first kill. This mean you need to have 5 specialists/elite, kill one, use your ult and kill the 4 others.

You can one shot any ennemi with BB with the right setup in damnation except :
Bullwark (2 BB)
Crusher (2 BB)
Dog (2 BB)
Mutant (3 BB)
Mauler (2 BB)

You have plenty moment you can do this penance by just playing the game.
I did this penance without knowing it exits in T5. If you just play around killing elite/special for few games you 'll get it naturally.

Edit : And if you are not psyker player and are just looking for easy penance and complaining when something isn’t … I don’t think it’s a good reason to nerf anything. But they probably will nerf it anyway ! :slight_smile:

Even dog & sniper event works… What is next step ? Penance for using BB once ? :smiley:

I got all class penances but the monstrosity on Psyker and that without day one cheesing as so many did. The most has really nothing to do with being hard or challenging.
Even those who sound somewhat challenging like the “take no melee damage” or “make every shot count” on Vet are easy done with a bit of safeplay or the correct weapon-choice.

Meanwhile Psykers 5 BB’s or Ogryns charge into 6 Ogryns rely heavily on RNG spawns and force your teammates to go afk / kite Ogryns across the map.
It’s nearly impossible to get them done in normal runs and even if you go in with premades, then they’re more tedious than challenging to do.

Stuff like the event-achievements in V2 have been challenging and required teamwork to do.
What we’ve here is mostly tedious, shallow, passively done or work against the intention of coop and how to play the game itself.

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I totally agree with the monstrosity thing, etc. Most of penance are against the fun and teamplay.
Penance are easily “tricked” most of the time… I m not even sure Penance should be hard, I personnaly don’t mind about penance. But saying that BB 5 elite/special is impossible is not true in my experience.

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From my discussions with game developers it actually is quite a bit harder than you think. You have to have listener code looking for specific sequences of events. So it may be more involved than you think to change the parameters of the penance.

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I’ve had to do this penance about 3 times because of weird detection issues.

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They have adjusted these penances before. It was not a huge issue. Now they are adding new ones, so they should also be tweaking these ones.
I have done Out with a bang, pick n mix and flesh wound at least 2 -4 times each and not got credit. It was the same with my deadshot, then suddenly it was marked off at some point. No IG notice or anything.

Taking a break until the new patch. I got another game and am happy to play it until the upcoming drop.