It does contribute, but for me TS is an entertainment thing primarily, balance between fun and hard is always going to be the most important thing. Boss damage does make it a little easier, but only in a relatively small portion of the map, and doesn’t allow you to completely avoid playing or whatever unless you do insane amounts.
Plus if I recall right once you’re past the first horde the game won’t spawn more while a boss is up? On legend at least, I’m not quite enough of a masochist to enjoy dealing with special RNG bs for a cata TS, and my brain is mostly switched off in pubs these days so can’t recall how threat works there.
You’re right that it’s fine as long as people declare their changes, outside literal cheating or splicing that just wouldn’t count as a run for any game in basically any community.
I would say if you’re intentionally manipulating it to do so, yes. You could honestly get even broader with the rule and say it as “Just play the game and stop trying to avoid having to play the game”, but people would just go “technically I’m playing :^)” then.
If they enjoy breaking stuff to make runs quicker that’s still super cool, more vermintide speedruns with interesting tech or manipulation would be great, it’s basically exclusively BW teleporting out of maps that I see these days. But it’s a bit silly to start breaking the game while calling it a true solo is all, same as it would be silly to do a normal 20-30 minute TS run and then pretend it’s an any% speedrun.
and you’re going to prove that someone is intentionally killing enemies and taking damage in a true solo to abuse intensity and not just to play the game.
You would also need to have a very good understanding of intensity to know if their actions are efficiently exploiting such systems.
Much more nebulous than special slot stacking and abuse of threat where it’s a failure of being able to kill enemies fast enough or just ignoring them to the point where you assume intent.
Yeah I’m definitely aware you can’t prove all the little examples, but honestly if someone is intentionally manipulating tiny hard to notice systems at a level that isn’t really obvious good on them lol, it’s not that big a deal. They’d still probably be better off just using that ability to do speedruns, but it doesn’t matter really, there’s no TS leaderboard (and the one that does exist is basically all cheese anyway).
Like I said I don’t think a big PDF rulebook is really necessary, just a general community feeling so it’s a little clearer what counts as a speedrun for new players. New TS people are really only gonna notice the extreme stuff where someone kites the whole map or has a group of gasrat groupies following them the whole run.
I can agree with that for the most egregious offences. Likewise to what you said, policing every aspect of true solos is just more effort than its worth.
They’ll be judged mostly on the merit of what is presented in the run and whatever they care to disclose about any tweaks.
I don’t want to break the flow of this topic, but this discussion has me unsure of my own actions. I posted a video on YouTube a while back with, “Cata True Solo QoL Tweaks” in the title. In the description, I specify that it is not an actual Cata True Solo because of the QoL Tweaks mod. I state all my modifications (200% boss dmg, and apparently the No Wobble mod lowers recoil, which I wasn’t aware of at the time).
Is this acceptable, or have I been misleading, deceptive or otherwise unintentionally tried to grasp glory that I have not earnt?
I understand that what I did was not a True Solo and I do not contest that fact. I want to make sure what I’ve done is in line with the guidelines the others have said here, and that it is respectful to the True Solo community.
Do you. There’s no “correct” way to feel proud of TS. You’re not disrespecting the community if you decide to tweak. Do you feel challenged and accomplished? Great! You did it! Don’t let the community make you unsure of your accomplishments.
AFAIK, no one one or two have published a 100% boss damage Cata TS, and most people use no wobble.
The hypocrisy in this Thread makes me cringe. Noone talking about “200% monster damage is cheating” did a solo run with a monster spawn ever. It does not boil down to the monster you have to fight alone. Its about the wave noone keeps you safe from, the specials noone snipes for you, the arrow buttholes that bite at your lifebar, and the little bump in that spot of the map you never dodged against which ruins your run and makes you restart for the 99th time.
All the 200% more damage does is actually make you fight monsters. Otherwise you either just restart, or gravity kill it via barrel, bomb, or career skill(, which itslef takes some experience.)
The no wobble or no macro discussion is also lunacy. There is enough people that need macros to play the game. So you either rule them out or write special rules for them. Both are silly solutions. Iam one of the people who cant play the game with wobble. It makes me sick. There is a reason that mod got resanctioned in hours after the author removed it from the workshop.
Managing Specials is also far to looped at in this Thread. Noone talks about how restrictive that playstyle is, or how some runs are abandoned because the ammo situation was f_cked by Ranald. Belief it or not ammo is a resource in solo runs that can be hard to come by. Some range weapons make it borderline impossible with half way bad spawn to complete the run and even with the better ones in this category, like Krubers Repeater, you need ammo spawns to make you not run dry in the middle of the map. Managing specials is just one way to consistently do runs to prevent endless restarts.
What hypocrisy? True solo is meant to be difficult and a mistake will almost always mean a wipe. True solo is alot of restarting, bugged disablers grabbing you etc, still this doesn’t mean increased boss dps isn’t considered cheating. Because you are literally adjusting values. Ledging a boss is a game mechanic, so you could use it. Is it easier then killing a boss on 200%? Maybe, but tweaking is just unethical in my eyes. You can think it’s fine in certain scenario’s, as some other here think aswell.
I don’t think anyone has something against no wobble, maybe i never met them but i can’t imagine someone saying a run is ‘soo much easier’ because of no wobble. So i agree the no wobble isn’t an issue.
Managing ammo is a skill that makes true solo difficult, especually on cata. There are things you can do to preserve your ammo but if you use a blunderbuss on fk and never get ammo spawn then you’ll probably have trouble preserving ammo. I would say crossbow/longbow is the best ranged true solo weapon, on no ranged careers ofcourse or careers which can’t regain ammo trough talents.
But yes in short ts’s are alot of restarting and patience. Even if you have all the skill required it can be annoying restarting the x’th amount of time because the hook rat didn’t.make sound or you get leeched from across the map.
I don’t think anyone’s been claiming no wobble is cheating, though macros vary a lot depending on what you’re doing with them. If you’re using them to just completely subvert parts of mechanical skill it would be cheating no matter what game mode, in my opinion. Lots of games ban for macro use for a reason, though I don’t think it matters if it’s just lmb spam macro or something.
Also the whole point of the run is the challenge and managing all the specials solo is a huge part of that. If you lose a run to RNG or because you blew all your ammo early that’s just unfortunate really.
Apparently you haven’t played without it in a while lol. This game is literal sickness without No Wobble. Especially with Bill Hook. It’s sanctioned though so all good.
I am not trying to take the moral highground here but I have never even used No Wobble and I play the Bill Hook regularly.
My guess is that if you play at lower framerates the wobble effect is more intense than if you play with fluid high FPS.
What hasn’t been mentioned yet is intentionally delaying boss/patrol triggers.
Is that considered cheese? I am not sure, that’s why I am asking.
Isn’t intensity only checking for set values of damage taken, kills, knockdown and such?
Ofc 200% boss damage has no impact on intensity in that case, what you mean I think is Pacing and even that is questionable.
What I am thinking is if you do 200% boss damage you empty up a slot faster and hitting the threshold quicker for the horde/special spawn times to be reset but on the other hand if you play with 100% boss damage you do less damage but get more hordes since you kill slower and therefor are more likely to hit horde/special spawn times quicker.
You are also very likely to take more damage during the time you fight a horde or 2 while the boss is still alive, also more specials. (Yes I am aware that this is highly hypothetical since taking more damage would mean you hit the intensity threshold quicker, resulting in more lenient enemy spawns)
I have one question though in general, I checked the True Solo Mod and it doesn’t remove rushintervention nor does is mess with speed running intervention.
My guess is, which I am not sure is correct, that you are applied a loneliness value constantly and therefore have irregular special/horde spawns due to that.
I mean if you would really like to crunch the number you could basically abuse the speedrunning intervention. It has a set value of distance travelled, you could speedrun and still be bellow the value of distance travelled and also cheese this way.
Maybe this is abit to technical for the general True Solo player but this has been an open question for me.
Ok that’s understandable, I am always giving people the benefit of a doubt.
I play on 240 ish FPS, if you have the financial capacities I would suggest to everyone to switch to 240HZ Monitors, makes quite the difference.
I know it’s literall sickness without, that’s why i use no wobble and a pretty high fov. But what i mean is that i know players who don’t get motion sickness and they aren’t at any disadvantages, if there are disadvantages it’s very minor for players who don’t get sick obviously.