push > dodge backwards >charge> hold > 2-3 swings >repeat.
its trivial not a death scentence
no they are good effective weapons , i dont think theres a non viable t5 weapon in the vet melee arsenal.
the only problem these weapons have is the Power sword sitting there making all irrelevant.
whichever class your playing your meant to be one out of 4 your talking like you should be able to do the mele job in a few seconds then get on with the real work of soloing the ranged mobs. and the PS allowing that is clear indication its fine, but its the other way about its proof its not.
see this is the problem , you have had this crutch to use that is so strong you havent had to learn to play the game by malice you should know how to safetly deal with hordes without taking damage and the method doesnt change
if you know how to position when to push and how to stagger with your own attacks you can fight a t5 horde with an axe without having to move or dodge and take no damage.
Thank you for confirming my point that all your arguments are about jealousy.
Seems it never occurred to you that i may be playing all 4 classes.
This just shows your inexperience in handling the weapons. Once you grow tired of just spamming light attacks and start experiment with the weapons you will find out that you can actually mix light, heavy, push and special attack to have the desired pattern.
Since you seem to be struggling with a shovel Iâll give you a tip: heavy attacks have good cleave, powerful stagger and an horizontal sweep, if the charge time is too long for you you can chain light one, heavy two and then keep spamming the heavies. It has very good mobility for a weapon with that level of stagger and special attacks can interrupt crushers and maulers attacks. If you are searching for a weapon that can keep the vet safe and let him do most of the job with range the shovel perfectly fulfill the job.
Basically you are saying that the veteran needs to be an army of one, whatâs the point of having teammates then if you kill everything by yourself? How about you learn to avoid getting chip damage with good positioning, game sense, decision making and mechanical skills, instead of relaying on a weapon that gets you out of evry situation? Ugh, am i saying that I actually need to put effort to be good at the game and carry my team? Preposterous!!!
no , its not a simulation, its a game balaance has to be king. if we lore accurate all 4 die in the first mission its over next bunch of rejects thrown into the grinder. uninstall your experience ends here.
thats unavoidable and your right its not in itself a problem the problem comes when the magnitude of the gap is so large that either
first: no other weapon in the arsenal is of use as you are stepping down so much power
second the power exceeds the design limits of how affective a tool it is supposed to be. in this case trivialising combat to an unacceptable degree.
as an argument for cheat codes in a modded private lobby thats fine,
but balance isnt class vs class its tool vs job and 4 broken tools do not fix anything.
the problem with the power sword isnt access its relative strnegth to its alternatives AND its overperformance at its task
yeah? they make up about 50% at that level is ee maybe more , im not sure there are many peopel out there saying the vet is weak , most people would say its the strongest. but note people are calling for buffs for the other 3 , the tool (vet class) is strong to its alternatives but its not overperforming the others are under, so where the PS recieves calls to nerfs teh vet class isnt.
well yes get out of jail cards, ability to rewind time , the knowledge there s a guy with PS does make runs easier and smoother but they are still overpowered. and nothing you have said here is a problem , but its also not the complaint. all the other tools are relaible thiis PS is more.
sure welcome to do that if you want, but again its not the problem were talking you choosing to make your life harder isnt the same as me coming along and removing your challenge for you and by challenge i simply mean the game offering enough resistance as to be engaging and fun.
i have covered this , its a problem because its so far outside the range , it needs to be brought down because the others (few exceptions) are on the correct level of effectiveness. ie its too strong there not too weak.
if it is i dont see it. but i dont see the point your aiming at.
yes i guess to a degree. no it doesnt completely ruin the game its just a broken weapon thats too strong its not god mode. players do need to contriobute feel like they have impact it doesnt have to be unique to them.
like infinte cleave and no drop off
this isnt a holy trinity MMO there are no tank slow heal rolls (anyone?) we need to be able to take any selection of 4 and run through a difficulty appropriate to our skill and exoerience with a success rate as divined by the devs.
everyone needs to be able to kill hordes specials elites and ranged, sure zeal is clearly specialised to melee vet is clearly specialised to ranged but both can do the other as needed
well yes each weapon should have diferent strengths and weaknesses the problem with the powersword was one of the best defence weapons had close to the best single target dps armour pen and was the absolute gold standard in horde clear exceeding all melee weapons by several magnitudes.
the wapons need to be of similar power close enough that its a valid choice to take any and they need to fall within the bracket of effectiveness the devs have designed the game for.
I hate these nerf threads for one of the few ways the Vet doesnât instant down in a horde. Like Vets are powerful yes but two or three hits from anything even a pox walker downs a vet which is scary easy on higher levels. So these threads are nonsense unless Vets get some melee toughness buff or something. Everything is trash already and you want to make one of the few good things trash is ridiculous.
Other melee weapons work as well in their own strengths, but Power Sword is okay at a bit of everything except for horde clearing where itâs the Vets best option. Taking a PS frees a Vet up to take any ranged weapon they want because they wonât have to worry about any gaps in their build. Pretty important for the Sharpshooter to be able to do this and have their own means of horde clearing. Since, you know, all the other classes have horde clearing weapons too.
What? I literally can stay alive even with just combat blade as Vet on Heresy+ lol You must be doing something wrong if you canât survive horde without Power Sword.
or well unless thatâs a sarcasm because you also mention about toughness thing which is like the main advantage of Vet.
On the topic, Best adjustment I can think of is just let its horde clearing potential stay the same but reduce its damage against specialist and elite, or the other way around. Itâs have no place to be the best of both worlds.
Also with how much toughness Vet have while also has ability to recover it decently fast with confirmed kill, best toughness regen on melee and also take almost no toughness damage from range enemy via counterfire&unwavering focus. I could take a lot of punishment and still make it out alive with some toughness to spare unless I play really bad.
Only noticable downside of Vet I can think of is he have quite slow stamina regen delay compared to other class so you could guard/push less frequently when out of stamina, but itâs pretty easy to negate by not wasting too much stamina sprinting when you expect close combat fight.
I mostly use Catachan IV sword on Vet and I still could perform quite well in melee, although if thereâre some special or elite mixed in with the horde I need to get rid of them with range weapon first before I engage. Though if I use Power Sword I could pretty much just kill them along with the horde lol
Anyway i have maybe 330h with sharpshooter so i know what i am talking about.
Done for a long, PS is a class unique weapon to fight hords, itâs fine, why evry weapons should do the same job ?
In T5 i use melee as less as possible and if i must do it s vs hords so i use a tool vs hords.
Compared to power sword yes, thatâs why nerf itâs been asked.
I canât find a single veteran melee wapon that is not viable in T5, the only difference is that they all have some weakness which must be covered by your range option or teamates.
And yet not able to clear T5 without powersword, yeah we can trust your competence.
