I recently ran with my brother and his two friends… They didn’t even know Mortis trails existed. I had to show them where to go.
They were penance hunting, didn’t realize they needed to be on private. Then didn’t know how to even turn the game to private mode.
Some of this I don’t blame too much on FS but yes. Maybe, just MAYBE it’s because all of this can’t be accessed easily from a single menu and you have to physically go there in the hub…
it took me longer than i care to admit to find out i could inspect weapons. i always thought that UI people had on some screenshots with all the weapon details was a mod
I didn’t know that he pissed in your cereal, that’s crazy. You’re always coming into Threads being disgustingly hyperaggressive for literally zero reason. You did this to my boy @Enclave as well and Throne knows how many more.
I hope that you eventually learn to understand that people aren’t just punching bags at your disposal. Change your behaviour or get off of these Forums. I’m at my wit’s end with you.
I love how all the arguing has been about the stat bars and no one has talked about how blessing descriptions can range from “not helpful in the slightest” to “straight up incorrect.” Vermintide 1 got it right: just let the weapons do set damage and have cool little bonuses here and there.
Note: This is NOT my list nor do I fully endorse it, but at a glance it seems mostly right. It was a CTRLCV from the linked reddit thread this replied to.
Copypasta, sheet is a tad overcomplicated. I think some may still be open to debate, like picking mobility over collateral on some stuff maybe?
| Ogryn | Dump Stat | Psyker | Dump Stat | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Latrine Shovel | Defence | Blaze Force Sword | Warp Resistance | |
| Bully Club | Mobility | Blaze Force Greatsword | Warp Resistance | |
| Cleaver | Cleave Damage / Mobility | Electrokinetic Staff | Quell Speed | |
| Pickaxe | Defence | Inferno Staff | Warp Resistance / Damage if not utilising psykers skills that work around peril | |
| Battle Maul + Slab Shield | Defence | Void Blast Staff | Quell Speed | |
| Grenadier Gauntlet | Melee Damage | Voidstrike Staff | Blast Radius | |
| Twin Linked Heavy Stubber | Collateral | |||
| Heavy Stubber | Collateral | Mostly all class | Dump Stat | |
| Ripper Gun | Ammo for Blaze away breakpoint (Ideal: 66 ammo 74 stability) | Devils Claw | Mobility / Cleave Targets | |
| Kickback | Mobility | Chainaxe | Defence / Mobility | |
| Rumbler | Mobility | Chainsword | Mobility | |
| Combat Axe | Mobility | |||
| Combat Axe (Antax) | Cleave Targets | |||
| Veteran | Dump Stat | Combat Blade | Mobility / Damage | |
| Power Sword | Cleave Damage | Duelling Sword | Cleave Targets w/Riposte otherwise Mobility | |
| Sapper Shovel | Defence | Heavy Sword | Defence / Cleave Targets | |
| Hellbore Lasgun | Stability | Shock Maul | Mobility | |
| Plasma gun | Charge Rate or (Ideal 69 Thermal / 71 Charge Rate | Tac Axe | Mobility | |
| Bolt Pistol | Collateral | |||
| Zealot | Dump Stat | Braced Autogun | Mobility | |
| Crusher | Defence | Combat Shotgun | Stability | |
| Thunder Hammer | Defence | Double Barrel Shotgun | Mobility | |
| Relic Blade | Heat Management / Mobility | Heavy Laspistol | Stability | |
| Heavy Eviscerator | Cleave Targets / Mobility | Infantry Autogun | Mobility | |
| Purg Flamer | Damage (2 Damage difference between 60 and 80. only affects direct damage not the DOT) | Infantry Lasgun | Mobility | |
| Revolver | Mobility | |||
| Recon Lasgun | Collateral | |||
| Shredder Auto Pistol | Collateral | |||
| Spearhead boltgun | Collateral | |||
| Vigilant Autogun | Mobility |
And cheat sheet img (edit: slightly better)
It was also mentioned that more complicated systems will lead to more depth but Vermintide 2 had a more complicated system than 1 and literally every melee weapon took Swift Slaying.
this is only true for M1 spam which was patched out
warp res is the dump stat on everything psyker once more except voidstrike
LOL JFC.
GD, y’all happy!? Now you broke @Khorne_Dawg of all people?
Please direct future hate towards me, I put it in my morning coffee.
I remember feeling like this when I first got into VT2 from L4D2 (thousands of hours played since LFD1 release).
I did try VT1 and it was pretty neat, but not as fun as LFD2 or Killing Floor 1/2 to me so I didn’t get into the higher levels of gameplay with it.
Coming up to Vt2 I loaded up the game ready to click on the Menu > Multiplayer > Quick Play then loaded into this stupid 3D virtual menu (the keep that people seem to like) taking way more time to just play one round with the loading screens, but got over it.
Started getting used to the systems of the game, I still remember the green dust scandal… Got over it… etc until they ruined my gameplay experience with the lack of polish and insane levels of jank by adding beastmen into like every map. Disabled the expac but couldn’t play with anyone else hosting so I just said screw this game after over 1,000 hours easily (had all the red weapons, had all the legend outfits, etc). This is similar to why I hated the patch that added Havoc as they f’d around with gunners/reapers and now basically the only time I see anyone go down it is to these insta-gibbing people, turning the gameplay more into a janky cover shooter or tactical room clear shooter.
If I want to play L4D2 vanilla I can. If I want to mod it with crazy stuff I can and have almost unlimited access to peoples’ crazy imaginations for player and enemy models, maps, campaigns (for free)… it’s crazy how much freedom and respect that gives the player compared to basically every garbage system surrounding the amazing gameplay of DT.
Coming to DT I had to go through all of this time-wasting BS again but it feels SO much worse with FOMO/RNG added to basically everything. If it weren’t for the peerless gameplay loop I really would have never looked at this dev again. I think that is honestly the worst part, not knowing if the game today will be the same game in a year from now, unlike LFD2 where the control to change gameplay is giving exclusively to the player/creative community.
To end on something positive I don’t absolutely hate the talent trees, they do give you a bit of leeway to play around. I can only hope more changes that rectify these absolutely mental decisions keep coming down the pipe like removing some RNG from crafting.
Underrated comment.
FS has a gem and a license many dev would love ot use… and they turned it into crap.
Hard disagree on the Keep (though I only played co-op with friends which no doubt makes it more fun) but this right here nails it imo. RESPECT the players and you will earn their respect back. Then turn that respect into cold hard cash.
One of their best updates was Unlocked & Loaded because it stripped away crappy RNG systems and gave players agency back.
Do matchmaking next.
There are no god roll weapons in Darktide.
Again, these 2 points alone w/ private matches are such points of frictions for us, I bet for many others too. I feel like this should have been resolved last summer at the latest, is it just a way to try to force ppl to do havocs?
So it’s not depth after all. Just horse crap.
It’s confusing for new players and just a time waster for experienced players.
that’s what i keep criticizing too. people buy their games to do what they want, when they want. but fatshark’has this tendency of not even trying to avoid frustrating the player by not allowing him free reign. as i said, i would have left darktide like 20 times already if i didn’t like the gameplay so much. and a lot of others did leave, i guess.
Fatshark doesn’t know why people play their games and they believe the time wasting RNG is why they keep players around at all while most likely the opposite is true.
exactly this, i said a couple times that i stayed despite “retention tactics” and not because of them.
more like retardation tactics, tried havoc yesterday again, briefly.
host dipped out of his own match in loading, ticket wasted, such fun good times.
in the time equivalent to the crap that is havoc, i got 4 maelstrom carries recorded…
if they had any sense they’d “open” havoc, let anyone pick freely from 1-40 and try as many times as they want.
maybe then we’d see more than a handful of matches throughout the day 
My presence brings out the worst in people.
May it be forever recorded in his personal Book of Grudges, and may he wet himself over the consequences he wrought for himself forevermore.
You give yourself too much credit. If I gave you my worst, I’d be banned. I was just politely nudging you about reconsidering your poor conduct, but I see that it’s fallen on deaf ears.
Ew… barely-disguised fetish, much? You’ve nothing of value to provide, so I’ll just permanently chuck you on Ignore. It’s the right thing to do, I suppose. Bye!
