Need to seriously consider nerfing flamer

[Ralendil]

@Rocker_Fox

Really debatable on that one. For first shot maybe but for follow ups good luck on that one.

Tip: try to aim… you will use the shot by shot mode…
If you do that, the bolter is really precise.

@Rocker_Fox

15 is a laughable small amount in an actual situation where you don’t have everything lined up for you and as stated i highly doubt people are sitting there counting shots when getting charged. Piercing bullets barely come into play and is mostly used for punching thin cover. Having 95 bolter rounds isn’t exactly an easily sustainable amount if you don’t have 2 psykers in a match or if if another vet or someone comes along with something like the recon las.

Piercing bullets are fabulous to clean an horde.
95 bullets it is more than the revolver (52) and more than a shotgun… and in the lore, both weapons have smaller ammo than the bolter.
15 is really enough to snipe and kill everything you need in shot by shot.

@Rocker_Fox

You mean to tell me the 2 guns that people complain underperform all the time can’t compete with the bolter? I am absolutely shocked.

On this I agree. The two weapons need a buff. However, the buff have to:

• not make them better than other ranged weapons
• not change what they are… a pistol and a shotgun

@Rocker_Fox

I really gotta ask, compared to what? The only thing slower in the game is the Heavy Stubber and the Plasma Gun! The quick draw that you mentioned has a full 3 seconds on it and every other gun above that basically reloads in half the time.

Compared to… the damages that can deal a bolter.
If you want to nerf a weapon and not change that (a bolter has to remain a weapon with strong destructive power), then you have to see what you can do without modifying damages.

@Rocker_Fox

I’ve mostly seen people running several weapons lately
-MG-12
-auto pistol
-Headhunters
-The odd braced auto guns
-flamethrowers

MG12 yes. Autopistols, they are more and more used… true. but since the patch before this one. We have to wait more to see if it is just to test or something that will last.

@Rocker_Fox

I feel like people are absolutely misconstruing having a working build for overpowered which is frustrating since this usually leads to making every ranged weapon feel exactly the same because “balance”.

That’s not what I call for. I really want that all weapons are viables and not seeing few that are OP. Bolter and flamer are the 2 ranged weapons OP.
Does this mean that they need to be nerfed? yes
Are they god weapon and should be nerfed to the ground? far from this.
There’s a need to find the balance that make all weapons interesting.
And you can do that without making all weapons the same…

Enough said here on the bolter… the thread is about flamer.