Necessity of Proper Reworks/Improvements for *"Moonfire Bow"* & *"Shade's Volley Crossbow"*

[CataTwitchOnly]

@Ensrick

I don’t think Amelia was saying Javelins should have infinite AOE cleave damage. Removing the AOE entirely just made the weapon feel flat

Obviously not. Amelia was OBVIOUSLY talking about moonfire (which had infinite cleave uber dot aoe damage on release with a ““beautiful”” blue effect) as did i which was evident in the quote which you would have noticed if you were actually somewhat familiar with the game.

@Amelia

i was surprised they have worked on a very nice effect, which was very beautiful by the way
for then removing it later, and making the weapon a bit flat.

the biggest complain of AOE, despite the dmg it had, was also mostly because of the big FF due to the damage it had.

I think the best way was to keep the aoe still when charging, and reducing the friendly fire damage and reducing the fire dot. and tweaking a bit the ammo consumption.

Legend player reading comprehension be like:

[Amelia]

@CataTwitchOnly

Obviously not. Amelia was OBVIOUSLY talking about moonfire (which had infinite cleave uber dot aoe damage on release with a ““beautiful”” blue effect) as did i which was evident in the quote which you would have noticed if you were actually somewhat familiar with the game.

nope, Ensrick’s right
the fact they removed the aoe, just made the bow flat, in fact it is never ever used anymore
and if you think it is a weapon that’s being used, you are wrong. a longbow is way better than a moonfire bow.

@CataTwitchOnly

Legend player reading comprehension be like:

i doubt, considering i did weaves

and soloed and duoed fow cata

[Amelia]

@CataTwitchOnly

Jav could use a buff tho. Way overnerfed.

javelins overnerfed but moonfire bow perfectly balanced right
when javelins back then were the most op thing ever, even better than pre nerf moonfire bow
for cleave it had

@CataTwitchOnly

Longbow is not even worth considering unless you know you will have a team that plays around your ammo needs and even then its fairly poor if youre not hitting heads all the time (which is a lot harder than it sounds because heads in this game are basically always not centered so if the enemy turns a tiny bit or wiggles for no reason youre instantly missing by a mile).

also imo wrong, if used well it is way better damage than moonfire bow
can deal so massive damage if used well, was used to rat ogre dance + looping troll by headshotting them even if swarmed by everything. and requires skill to preserve ammo with it
moonfire gutted the same as javelins, and nerfed because of complaints from people getting slapped by the friendly fire aoe, which then removed

what made strong moonfire back then was the ammo consumption and fire dot which they fixed now, making it flat due to not having the aoe, they could just nerfed the ammo consumption, and fire dot from the aoe

[BFCInsomnia]

@CataTwitchOnly

Garbage L take

[Flinlock]

@CataTwitchOnly

Legend player reading comprehension be like

How to say you’re an elitist jack***, without saying you’re an elitist jack***

@Amelia

also imo wrong, if used well it is way better damage than moonfire bow
can deal so massive damage if used well, was used to rat ogre dance + looping troll by headshotting them even if swarmed by everything. and requires skill to preserve ammo with it

Agree, Longbow was my favorite when I started playing and I still love it now. It’s versatile to handle any situation and has plenty of ammo provided you use it when needed and not overdo it for horde or ambients clear.

[GreenColoured]

@CataTwitchOnly

Obviously not. Amelia was OBVIOUSLY talking about moonfire (which had infinite cleave uber dot aoe damage on release with a ““beautiful”” blue effect) as did i which was evident in the quote which you would have noticed if you were actually somewhat familiar with the game

Dude stop acting so combative for no reason and grow up

[GreenColoured]

@Ensrick

I’ve come around on the Greatsword, and I use it a lot on Zealot and Mercenary to great effect.

Its got it’s moments and nobody would ever call it weak. But it’s also one of the most mind numbingly boring weapon out there thanks to its redundant moveset…in spite of how cool they always look.

[Ensrick]

I was speaking more about how fun it can be. I found a couple builds with zealot and merc that make it more powerful. Especially on Zealot with his +50% attack speed, +75% during ult and 30% power bonus, it becomes extremely good melee AOE; can’t find a weapon on Zealot that’s as effective with those bonuses since it cleaves so well, and does enough raw damage on him to handle any enemy.

In a way, all weapons get bland when you get used to the moveset, and so I was having fun with greatsword by synergizing it’s cleave strength with talents.