I’d just like to point out that, there’s now a lot of us trying to unlock the most egregious penances like “going out with a bang”
The only realistic way to do this is to grab an Endless Horde modifier mission, and spam it over and over until you get lucky enough with spawns, cross your fingers that your bots won’t kill one of the elites, blow up
Oh and block every player you come across, one by one, to maximise the chances you will only get bots, otherwise you will need to ask and explain 13874 times for little to no result since doing it with bots is easier anyways
Not only is this mind bogglingly tedious, but that also means Malice+ difficulty is progressively filling up with players desperate to be done with those ridiculous penances, so they can never look behind
Damnation is essentially 99% of players trying to cheese their most stupid penance
There are a lot of compounded issues, but the main offenders are :
Inability to privately full solo queue
Inability to LFG with a proper goal like an announcement message
Inability to disable bots
Above everything else, and i can’t stress it enough the atrociously designed penances which only promote cheese instead of being actual challenges
Mission quality is dropping drastically, and you might think this is all temporary but i highly recommend you stop there and think about the impact this “meta” is going to have on the 30th new wave of players, when after a couple days out of the first two difficulties half their games consist of players quitting immediately as they can’t or fail to complete their penance
Please, and i’m saying this with everyone’s best interest at heart, drop the “don’t you guys have phon… frienz” mentality
edit - And i’m speaking from experience, it took me a whole 20 hours of spamming damnation endless hordes missions until i got a lucky blow up
That’s 20 hours of what essentially should be called griefing
This is the reason we can’t have nice things. People get obsessed to a point where it is hurtful to them self and others because they can’t handle just to not have some stupid checkbox ticked.
It has nothing to do with ideology - i just want to hamper the impact of your report by stating that it seems mad to ruin your own and other experience only because of meaningless check boxes. And i hope you reflect on this and become a better version of yourself.
That the “matchmaking is visibly deteriorating” seem to be in part of your actions as you wrote:
And i’m speaking from experience, it took me a whole 20 hours of spamming damnation endless hordes missions until i got a lucky blow up
That’s 20 hours of what essentially should be called griefing
so please stop.
I even agree with you the penances should be more Team focused and not punishing. If they should be harder or easier is for debate but they are not the main part of the game nor important enough to be that mad about it.
At least you can actually use your chat. It’s still broken for me, it worked only in one single instance. I’ve been trying to do the Cliffhanger penance for hours, a relatively EASY and QUICK penance to do which just requires people to stand on a bridge and not kill a horde so you can push it off said bridge.
But without chat I can’t tell them to stand on the bridge. No one will listen. I have no idea how you can play with bots, they get replaced by players as soon as the game starts for me, no matter the hour.
Penances are a pain. I shouldn’t have to gather 3 people to bribe into doing a chore in order to unlock cosmetics, please let us do custom lobbies or something, anything.
Without being able to do private matches I am not even going to attempt challenges because I don’t want to burden other players with some of these stupid challenges that almost seem designed to make you troll people.
I have seen now a few people who want do do this .
They should really deactivate this till you can make your own group with bots alone. It isn´t really fun for those who want to do this and also not for those who just want to play/level.
It is no fun leave again and again matches, because of some people who want to do this (and i understand why they do it).
So please FS just deactivate this penances, as long the game can not be played on your own with bots …
Anyone saying penances aren’t the end game are kidding themselves tbh, if the cosmetics were tied to completing everything on tier 3/4/5 then fair enough - but instead they are just asinine by being attached to challenges that make no sense or are detrimental to the team in general.
If they were tied to completing the missions on harder difficulties then teamwork and skillful play is encouraged.
RN they only encourage players to either A) Selfishly complete their penance at the expense of others or B) Join and leave immediately upon failure.
They are not “goals to work towards”, they are moment by moment “challenges” and since they are the only way of obtaining somewhat better looking stuff MM suffers as a whole.
As for vet, the penance completely rules (hinders) the mission for a single player in a team of 4, why is it that zealot can do a mission without using ranged and vet cant do a mission without using melee?
Every cosmetic bought by in game currency is a simple reskin, a different pallet or pattern - absolutely zero physical difference worth noting.
You can also spend irl currency for skins that actually look good.
Or you can do the aforementioned penances above for other skins that have different models and look good.
I’m no stranger to FPS games, but every day it gets worse and worse where today the 3 players in the game jumped off the map because they saw my revolver in the starting cutscene… Sure its a skill issue I mean anyone could theoretically hit every single shot without missing, I’m quite accurate myself, but when risking shots on moving specials like pox hounds (that i should be shooting at) could result in complete failure I just don’t feel like I want to chance it, and thats totally detrimental to everyone else.
Some of the penances are straight up fun suckers and it all points to what seems to be a “buy the skins” model.
The complaints about the penances are actually absolutely braindead. They stem from ppl that should be focusing on learning the basics of the game like not taking dmg, managing stamina, and canceling attack chains. Instead they are obsessed about cosmetics that you will eventually get by simply playing the game. Yes, there is a penance for every class that will most likely require you to apply your social skills and coordinate with others. But a simple one liner in a lfg channel will get you ppl willing to help you with your task. What a shame the devs expected customers with some common sense when designing this, and what a travesty this shitstorm about the penances is. Every single one of you should be ashamed about what you display.
Probably not the best argument to keep them like they are but why the hell are people trying to get them in quickfind pub games.
They are designed to be selfish and need a team to help cover the fact your on 25%hp or not shooting or dealing all the damage to a boss.
Your just griefing pub games.
Get on discord join the darktide discord go to lfg and you can clear them 100 times faster than in a random pub.
And if you don’t want to just remind your self it’s gonna take 10 minutes to get a group and you will save your self hours of frustration getting angry at randoms.
More people completely oblivious to the fact that these types of games live on solo queue players, who represent the overwhelming majority of the customer base
I mean, if designers still don’t understand that themselves, i’m not going to expect you to do so
As for the tired git gud forum mold argument, i’m fine thank you, i’m regularly playing and enjoying Damnation - when it’s not sabotaged by that one veteran who doesn’t want to miss any shots and leaves as soon as he does, or that other dude who’s trying to queue alone to cheese his braindead penance like almost everyone does
Doesn’t make these design failure penances any better