Seriously, they are bad design beyond any level, totally destroying team play.
They either
require your entire team to babysit you and not doing anything in the mean time you are trying to do them
or
require you to throw the game and not do the actual mission while trying to focus on the penance requirements.
Or is this Fatshark how you imagined teamplay?
And we still don’t have private game option to not f**k up the game of others and try to do it with bots.
For example:
Gona bowling for Ogryn: Impossible to do it with randoms since they will kill every enemy before you have 100 enemies lining up even on high intensity engagements, and private game is also none existing. Which wouldn’t even help at all possibly since the bots are having their own will too.
or
Just a flesh wound for Preacher: Unless you are not using the cheat tactic to kill yourself after 6 mins and let your bots die too, (which again requires a private game) good luck to do it with any other player, since it requires a playstyle no other player want to support.
Deadeye for Sharpshooter: Yeah sure again my 1st point. Sure it is fun for other player to sit back and relax and not kill enemies so you can have your kills.
WTF was wrong with the person who designed these achivements?
This is one that can be achieved even randomly. There is also a map, would need to check which one it was, where like 100 enemies are behind you while moving 50m to the extraction and that´s pretty much scripted.
Also private lobbies are a thing if you´re atleast 2 players.
Just did this one yesterday twice in a row. The first was for me with 3 randoms within 18 minutes. The second one for some discord member with 2 randoms in 16 minutes and we also took atleast 1 grim with us.
It´s easy doable on maps like Hab Drayko with low intesity or fog multiplier.
This one is similar to the Psyker achievement and both can be done. It´s a bit of spawn-depended on Psyker, but definately not so much on Vet. You do even extend your ultimate-time with the last feats.
Again just try out Hab Drayko. There are mostly enough Elite-spawns right at the start, if not just start again.
In all cases it´s just “talk to your team” or get some buddies to play with.
I agree with some other penances like the Psyker killing a boss solo, charging into 6 Ogryns or 100% precision on Vet being completely either against teamplay, killing your classes purpose or are just dumb to do.
But those you´ve listed are doable even in random games. You need some luck in spawns, but that´s it.
Gearing up and collecting all of the achievements wasn’t designed for instant gratification. They’re there to give players something to work on, or still potentially gain, after hundreds of hours of play. Which is clearly making gamers who want to race to the finish line a little unhinged.
TBF, this is one of the easiest penances you can do since it’s not elite enemies, just highlighted enemies so you can just pick the talent to highlight shooters and you will have plenty of enemies to pick off. This took me one try to achieve.
That being said a lot of penances are really, REALLY dumb designed, Malleus Monstronum is one of them because it was clearly designed when brain burst did a lot more damage against bosses, compared to now when you have to do up to 30 brain bursts to bring a boss down solo (20 if you are lucky and depending on boss).
Work on them? Work on what? Praying that the stars align and you get the spawns you want? Maybe if they were cumalative career milestones, which a bunch of them are, but there’s no denying there are some horribly designed penances.
This!
I’m sick of people claiming that they got it so it is not an issue or that you need to work for achievements.
Sure they are there for YOU to work for them. But they should be achieved by you purely from your skills and not by hoping that the stars are in the perfect constellation while ruining the games for others.
Sure i have also a lot of them. I have also only 2 achievements left (200h playtime on record). Named the Gona bowling and the Going out with the bang. And none of the others are ones i enjoyed farming and none of them were achievements which dependend on me. And yes again…i often threw missions and hindered my team mates while trying to do them.
And this is the thing. Since maop rotation is a thing and you can’t pick the map and the difficulty you want yourself, i consider this as a not viable argument. I’m not against you or your statement but this is just how fatshark messed up the design. With again a case where the achivement is not in your own hands.
Also the statement that the private lobbies are a thing if you have 2 people is just irrelevant. By that logic we could say, “just get 3 team mates” and there you go. Most people don’t have friends or as in my case, all my friends with which i wanted to play got bored and fed up with broken game mechanics already and stopped playing. How is it that in Vermintide all the achivements were totally up to you if you could do them or not?
There are a bunch of poeple like you finding together via ingame, discord, steam, whatever. It´s still a coop game and if some challenges require teamwork, it´s fine.
That´s not 100% correct. The most have been standard stuff like “All maps on difficulty X or beat with character Y.”. Others have been like “Deeds…”, which is a torture if they don´t drop and so far a long-time achievement.
But a lot have been map-related aswell. Just take events like Convocation of Decay, which is pretty hard on legend / cata without cheesing it. Or the one from the Pit, where no window should be destroyed.
Clearly team-challenges you couldn´t do alone and it´s fine if such stuff is in the game.
As i´ve said, i agree on some penances to be really bad, but you haven´t listed them above. They should get ride of one or another and give us some team-penances based on maps / events like we got in V2. I mean… it´s a coop-game…
We have very different understanding of coop games.Requiring 3 other people not do the game objective itself just to babysit a 4th person is not how coop games should work. And sorry but i won’t rely on 3rd party platforms just to be able to finish a penance. Just as many others. Not to mention good luck having the stars being alligned perfectly to have the desired missions available when you finally found people to help you.
You can bring up defensive arguments as much as you want just because you could do some of them. These penances are objectively badly designed. I have done most of them too. By pure luck or by deliberately jeopardizeing the games.
On Vermintide the achivements which requires you to do all maps on a specific difficulty is not requiring you to manipulate or throw the games. They only require you to do your best to finish the selected map. Which is the main focus of every game ever.
I have Vermintide as a “perfect game” on steam without ever even bothering to track the achivements. Just by playing it as it should be played.
I got mine, they should stay as is. Two days ago, when i didn’t have them and this was the most frustrating experience of my gaming life I would have agreed. But now that I am done, I just want to watch the world burn. (Also yes, change them, this was a stupid frustrating challenge. Did it on Psyker, Pick N’ Mix is awful). Don’t give me that do it with friends garbage either, I did. And it was frustrating for them as well.
I’m already completed my penances through cheese with my friends. got cool cosmetics and want to have it all for myself. I won’t feel special if everyone have it so it should stay the same. /s
Seriously though, I completed some of the bullshiet penances and I don’t even want anyone to suffer the same fate, also seeing Zealot that just won’t heal and Vet that doesn’t shoot in my game gonna give me stroke.
Did Ogryn Gone bowling in a Heresy( or was it malice?) pug, right before getting on Valk. This one is the easiest. Type or voice ahead of time and most will co-operate.
*It’s not 100 btw, it’s 70 on Malice or higher now, the Steam achievement is bugged as it says 100.
Did Ogryn Heavyweight Champ solo late one night, before we had private (2 man) instances.
Did Just a Flesh Wound (the hardest one) w/ 3 zealots and a psyker pug, low intensity Relay Station 18 mins, all 3 Zealots got it there. This one is probably the hardest because of the map rotation+mutator system.
Solo instances would help, as well as map selection. I like the idea of the ultimate penances not being too easy, but doable. I’m sure sure could use some tweaks though.
As i´ve said, i agree with you to some points, but the examples you picked in your open post doesn´t reflect your actual point. All of them can be done without relying on the team, unless your team hinders you to finish the mission under 20 minutes.
Also if you´ve played Vermintide much, you should know about the low health zealots anyway. (Even if it worked different with THP.)
“Achievements” are not overall “Penances”, even if they picked some for them.
Vermintide had some curious “Penances” aswell, like finding stuff on the map or like my earlier examples. Finishing the end event while loading it permanently in Convocation of Decay caused one or another wipe. Or bringing the 3 Chaos warriors and kite them all day long at the end event of Rightoues stand… unless you cheesed it aswell.
There are also a bunch of class-related similar to what we´ve here!
At this point i do even have to ask, why bother with them if you haven´t done in Vermintide? If its just for steam achievements, you don´t even need “Just a flesh wound.” or “Deadeye”.
As i´ve said, i agree to some point and that some are tedious to do and clearly need a rework. But it was not much different in V2. And if its really just about steam-achievements, then idk… there are a bunch of games forcing worse stuff. Not that i personally care about them, but getting them for free as in V2 isn´t really an achievement…
The achievements in darktide are tied to cosmetics, which is why it can be an issue. It would otherwise be fine if they were just for useless points like you mentioned, but it’s not. You can more relate it to the achievements tied to dlc career cosmetics in vermintide 2, of which people also had complaints about and fatshark adjusted to make them less of a pain in the ass just to get the cosmetics you already paid for.
I see the issue in it of course, but that´s just how you look at it and what you personally want from it. I know a bunch of games which offer achievements with cosmetical stuff, emotes, mounts, etc… and not really many poeple have issues with them.
You could also be like: “Hey i paid for achievements which offer cosmetics as rewards.”
Or even better: “Hey there are achievements and they offer rewards i would like to have, so i´ve some goal to play and a reason to get better!”.
No matter how, the most are normally meant to be seen in long-term instead of cheesing them day one. And seriously if poeple are so addicted in cosmetics, they might play the wrong game… i mean, you don´t even see your character 95% of all time. But everyone what they want…
As i´ve said above, i just finished “fleshwound” yesterday, because i waited for Hab Drayko with fog or less intensity for the highest odds instead of stressing myself or the group and eventually getting pissed of while trying it in every mission every day at any time.
Patience is key at some point.
like 2 mins ago some spyker blamed me that i ruined his penance by shooting shootgunner " thats why ppl are so toxic" he said. he didnt talk or write a word from beginning of mission. yea i wish penances get some rework like instead of 0 ammon and 100% acc → score 1000 ( or any number) headshoots, bullrush 100 ogryns in total, you can get there in time and its not frustrating for you and others
There’s plenty of penances i don’t have after 400+ hours of play. They could probably use some tweaking. I also don’t care. In game “achievements” are stupid on their face and I’ve never understood people who willingly turn a game into work. Seems pretty OCD or something. Don’t spend your gaming time doing stuff that isn’t fun. That’s silly.
I think it’s fine to give suggestions or make requests to game features you don’t like. Making damands and constantly ranting smacks of entitlement to a high degree.
" thats why ppl are so toxic" he said. he didnt talk or write a word from beginning of mission. yea i wish penances get some rework like instead of 0 ammon and 100% acc → score 1000 ( or any number) headshoots, bullrush 100 ogryns in total, you can get there in time and its not frustrating for you and others