That wasn’t an event mission.
Then, I don’t know… max is 4 rocket launchers
“not good enough” my ass. even pre-nerf i was evaporating everything in auric. people just suck at defending themselves
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The most blatantly overtuned ult which gets buffed every other patch for no reason at all.
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I really would like that someone answer this simple question.
Have you tried to do the same with a crowbar?
I will say that if you want to be efficient, and you can be even if it won’t be the same as with shivs, you have to take stamina curios. So you sacrifice security for damages.
I agree that shivs have a problem. Especially because this is only 1 mark that is very very very good… too much.
I think that there is several things not balanced in shivs… but as WE consider balance.
But even with Fatshark balance vision (so wrong), the blitzes (boom bringer and chem nades) should be returned to 2.
However, what you all point, is a damage power equivalent to psykers (except for blitzes, here there is something really wrong to be able to carry 4 chem nade or boom bringer).
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I have actually tried with the crowbar (asterisk; in Morbius Tilings while i was grinding out those achievements, so might not be representative of actual performance) and I was disappointed in the performance. The CC is pretty solid but I think the single-target mode doesn’t do enough damage to justify its relatively slow speed, on top of seeming to need crits to do any respectable damage versus armor. Shivs were just so much faster at killing everything, and more mobile.
As I’ve gotten used to melee HS, I’ve dropped the toughness curios for stamina, so I rock the 13 bars.
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Unfortunately the Crowbar is generally considered to be very mid, or even bad (for multiple reasons I shall not get into here), compared to other options such as the Bonesaw, shivs, etc.
But with Rampage up, even the crowbar reaches impressive breakpoints.
So, uh, it’s not really a matter of weapon choice.
Agree… That’s why I take it
Agree… and why I raged when they removed the exhaustion mechanic.
However, you have to admit that, if crowbar was mid with rampage it would be a REALLY problematic weapon as it would mean that you would have to sacrifice security (stamina curios x 2) to get a garbage weapon that would be mid with the ability.
I know classes that don’t even need to activate an ability to make a weapon working (psyker, Ogryn, veteran).
As I say, and I will repeat it, there is things, in my eyes, too strong with scums.
However, there is certainly more problems with DLC weapons (and here this include terminator shotguns and maces from arbites) than with the scums itself.
Won’t say that there is no room for nerfs on scums talents. And sure blitzes need a NERF. Fatshark, return blitzes to the state prior of this unjustified buff!
But… dude, psyker is still unnerfed after 3 years!!!
Problem is that Fatshark never wants to balance their game…Buff after buff, the game becomes more and more broken.
@FatsharkJulia when will we get the answer about solo game mode? I am tired to wait that there is a beginning of a balance… I want to play solo and get involved in events, missions, and maybe progressing in havoc (just for the fun of trying it).
I actually play without progression (solo mod) because of the lack of balance.
Shivs are incredibly overpowered, it’s the only Hive Scum melee weapon that doesn’t depend on Rampage to be good and can be played with little investment in terms of talents. If forum people were actually consistent with their balance talk they’d actually push for their nerfs as much as RPG (I personally don’t care about both of them that much, I’m just being realistic about their perfomance as someone who’s played most of Hive Scum’s weapons in Havoc)
Meanwhile, Bonesaw in Havoc 40 with Rampage active and 3 sources of cleave (2 talents near the adrenaline and Wrath blessing) against moebian 21st horde.
There’s plenty of ways to challenge yourself in this game and showcase your skill, I just wish the same people on forums who complain about balance and OP things didn’t only play needle pistol and shivs, thinking this is everything Hive Scum is.
I play crowbar + stub pistols
And I think that stub pistol damages could be nerfed.
But again, problem is that Scums would be nerfed way under a… psyker
It honestly doesn’t really matter what you take on hive scum, I used to think the crowbar was bad but then I foung a build that makes it absolutely disgusting way worse than arby maul ever was. Scum’s talents are overtuned as hell.
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You didn’t take shock and awe on your saw and then complained about its horde cleave into a high hitmass enemy.
But yeah, having must take blessings does suck though.
Tbh I still think its a pretty mid weapon without rampage in play. But rampage makes all melee weapons good.
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I tested shock and awe, it doesn’t make that big of a difference. Also if you don’t see a problem a weapon with 3 cleave sources performing like that just against mob 21st, then I don’t know what to tell you.
This shows that the problem is not the Scums…
but several things like blitzes or shivs.
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don’t you love it when you go above and beyond only to see them picked up dudes standing idle with their thumbs up their asses like they took a 
break waiting for the defeat screen?
what’s the point in staying ingame when not at the ready the second it counts?
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That and hyper critical
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Are you joking or are you just unable to fathom people can have eyes and use those eyes to SEE what the other classes can do - not to mention everyone talking about how utterly broken they are. You an undercover fatshark employee trying to get me to buy your sh*t dlc?
First of all i don’t like the idea i should stop playing with things that appealing to me aesthetically just because Fishbrain can’t balance. Don’t play with VoC, don’t play with purgatus, and this and that. Should i dance around just to keep the game interesting everytime they will burst out another powercreep ? It’s not a sandbox openworld game where it’s up to me how to entertain myself, why should i perform a self-castration because devs are incompetent?
Second, it’s a coop game there is no way to control other people, there is no way to create a lobby “purgatus/boombringer = kick”.
Third, it’s not necessarily about challenge, Rampage having exaustion is an interesting design, it adds puzzle moment you need to solve how to deal with that like via stim labs. “Bro, just slap some damage and u good” like the most blessings are for example, it’s not that interesting.
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Ask out of curiosity, but how Pickaxes supose to be extremely powerful?
I play with them and for me atleast dont seems to be overtuned.
But again I can be blind and dont see obvious.