I've been playing all night and I haven't seen a single beastmen

no sure how my rng could differ so drastically but ive been getting the from start to finish but mixed in with the other 2 factions in ways that shouldn’t be a thing. like an area obviously chaos but bestigors and archers are there. same with skaven.

Personally, I can live with this. I am however intrigued how the general (non-Forum) community would react to this. Considering that one argument people love to bring to bash Weaves is that adventure more is more random and therefore superior, we should expect backslash for making sections 100 % sure spawns of an enemy race. Then again, there is a lot of hypocrisy concerning the Weaves, so it might not be an issue.

Personally, I just want Beastmen to be present as they are interesting and fair to fight and add a meaningful supplementation to the enemy rooster of Chaos and Skaven.

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This is the answer, dude. Ambients are 100% mixed. Hordes are 1 wave of each. Monks and Bestigor charges and skating CW’s all at the same time. I’m game.

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I’m one of the people promoting that the random content is the best content. I don’t the faction brings too much of my joy to the table, but I’m just one voice.

This would be another good solution that has been presented before. (Stronger beastmen) as a complement to the other faction.

Ran Against the Grain and Righteous Stand today to test a mod, noticed I still didn’t see a single beastman, so so far I literally haven’t seen beastmen since the patch launched.

Talked to a couple of friends, two of them said they’d been playing a lot and their ratio is something like they’d only see beastmen once every 5 maps.

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I just played for the first time in a week last night, five maps, two of them had Beastmen throughout for me. It is just RNG.

Bro I’m a Mathematics major, I understand statistics fine thank you. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Obviously it doesn’t tell us anything about the overall ratio. What it does very clearly show us is that once again we have an RNG system without any protection against extreme circumstances. OP has now played what, 7 maps in a row without a single beastman? That’s analogous to how rerolling used to work, that is, true RNG with no protection against getting the same thing again and again. As with everything else, RNG without any boundaries or systems of protection is an absolutely attrocious system, since it leaves you open to extreme streaks of repetition.

So I’ll say it again, no more data is needed to very clearly assert there’s an issue here. The system shouldn’t let you play 7 maps in a row without a single beastman appearing, that literally shouldn’t be possible if this had been done right.

FS desperately needs to stop using unfettered RNG. It’s a truly awful way to do things.

Edit: Sorry didn’t notice Kaelus already covered this further up and you agreed. You can disregard most of this post.

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I have been playing for some 20 hours since the beta and I havent seen a single beastman either.

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I saw a beastman, my dudes!
I ran Festering Groundss and saw nothing, but then we ran Hunger in the Dark and I finally saw a bestigor! First thing we faced!
It was almost painful when that was the only beastman in that zone, surrounded by chaos, lol. But afterwards we did run into 2 proper beastman zones with hordes and such.

Not a single Wargor, now that I think about it, though… But we didn’t finish the run, so I’m not too worried about that.
Chaos patrol got us cornered and rip.

Either way, it seems that out of 8 maps, 1 of them had beastmen.

That’s exactly the issue, couldn’t have said it better.

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I reckon I’ve got them about 50-60% of the time and it always feels ok. NO more 15 archers halfway up a mountain for me :slight_smile:

I’m one of those players who would be happy to never see them, BUT I agree that having 0% Beastmen is just as bad as 100% beastmen.

Everything else has no bad-luck-protection and beastmen appear to be the same too.

I think that’s nothing wrong with the predetermined population of factiones. We have a couple of maps like this (Skittergate, Into the Nest and Dark Omens) besides new one. No one complained about this so far. Spawn of specials is still random.
I believe that locking beastmen at wilderness is the way to go.

I think hardlocking them to wilderness wouldn’t be ideal. A heavy RNG weight for them to spawn in wilderness/wide open areas, plus a heavy RNG weight for them to not spawn in closed-in, tight spaces would be better.

Even so, I still firmly believe the solution to the issues is to go with a hard minimum of “at least 1 zone in each map must be populated by each of the factions allowed in said map”.

Maybe couple that with something along the lines of “At most, only 2 continuous zones can be populated by the same faction.”, to prevent maps being almost entirely 1 faction through pure RNG, save for the maps where it’s scripted to be only 1 faction (Into the nest, Dark omens, alternating parts of Skittergate)

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That’s just weird for me to see them at city maps. And I agree that they should be locked at certain locations. The ideal example is Old haunts.
I just played a couple of maps. One of them was Festering ground w/o beastmen at all - that’s just wrong.
Maps like Athel Yenlui, Festering ground, Engines of war and even Against the grain should be infested with them. I mean there is plenty of maps witch can contain all three factions. Still waiting for those Reik maps that’s just perfect for them.

I agree with your sentiments. If there is a more natural environment in a map, having a higher possibility of densely populated beastmen would make sense. Beastmen spawns could then extend a bit further before and after that environment and after that coming across Beastmen would be a small chance and you’d probably just had a small group of them density wise.

Like with Empire in Flames I could only see them showing up before going into the ruined city and leaving the city with their spawns extending just a bit into the city. Perhaps you’d have a small chance of coming across a small band of Beastmen deeper in the city itself but beyond that Skaven/Norscan would be more dominant. I would actually advocate more for Beastmen if they had a complete faction but since they are just a meh “horde based” faction their lack of dominance in a map is completely fine.

Perhaps if the developers added a bit more fauna to maps or signs of beastmen (a subtle way to advertise Winds of Magic) then having them show up a bit more in certain maps would make more sense.

It’s a shame Dark Omens is the only Beastmen related map we’ve got. Kinda wish they added 2 other maps with one being a precursor to Dark Omens with Beastmen showing up halfway through the map and the third map would be a weaves map with Olyshea trying to get back the 5 after the Herdstone explosion. So that would be like a mishmash of previous maps jointed together with perhaps different winds present and chaos would be a lot more prevalent.

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i think calling this extreme RNG when we don’t know the actual intended numbers is a bit of a leap. if beastmen are meant to show up say, 15% of the time, not getting any in 7 maps is absolutely fine. As far as I know the only info we have is that they’re meant to be less common, which means that for all we know 1/8 is actually a higher than expected amount.

Saying we need no more data to say whether this is bad RNG or a poorly implemented system without RNG protections or if it’s actually working completely as intended is just silly.

For what it’s worth I’m a fan of rarer beastmen spawns, they’re not as fun to fight as other factions. Just generally less fleshed out and a weird in between of ripping through skaven hordes and larger amounts of elites and needing to deal with stronger single targets like CW.

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Well, it is a change of pace from previous nights without seeing a single skaven…

I still see more Beastmen than Chaos and Skaven.

Anyway, apart this, since they are the strongest faction they should be less numerous that the other factions.

Well I envy you. Yesterday I went 6 more maps before seeing beastmen, saw them finally on righteous stand.

I still firmly believe in hard minimums per map, and a cap on how many times you can roll the same faction in a row. Put a lockdown on how extreme RNG can get on both sides.

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