I’ve read all of… THIS.
And God-Emperor help me, I’ve even attempted to respond to some, before deleting my scribble and instead having a glass of wine.
Here is my response:
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An interesting post but I’m going to abstain from further comment. I thank you though for the post.
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Understandable, and I’m not particularly interested in carrying it on either, way too much to get into. But if you’d like to know more I recommend the books Killing Hope by William Blum and Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti. Both easy to find in pdf form for free with a google search.
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It’s the gift that keeps on giving. Come on in, have a chat. Nothing bad is going to happen.
A lot of the Reich Germany’s foundational myths actually went back to Ancient Rome. The infamous Greeting for instance was a modified version of “Hail Emperor”.
You’re right on the Swastika, though, since that is an Ancient Slavic symbol (but it also appears in Hinduism and anything that descended from Indo-Europeans).
Mh, not quite.
The way you model it, Capitalism will always exit into Socialism or Fascism. But this is not quite exhaustive of all the options, because there are a lot of other societal models that exist and Capitalism is the most “wild card” system out there. Anyone can technically attain a high amount of leverage, if they just acquire the greatest quantity in currency.
Currency in Capitalism is king and can leverage anything else. This is not true for other societal models. Monarchy and Aristocracy both have their Birthright and if you are not born with royal blood, you are a serf. The end.
A one-party system on the other hand has pre-selection in their choice of candidates. Capitalism is one of the only systems that has no limitations on who can be the most powerful. All that’s needed is large quantities of cash and you can buy anything and everyone.
It’s true that the most likely exit from a Capitalist system is any system that qualifies as Oligarchy (rule of the Minority), since Capitalism ultimately benefits few and leads over time to a monopolization of all markets, as the highest bidders get to buy out everything else. But it doesn’t have to be a Socialist or a Fascist. It could easily be a Theologist, if we for instance imagine the hypothetical scenario that The Arabic League could get enough fiat via it’s oil trade to worm it’s way into everyone elses politics.
It could also be a Monarchist who trumps the system with his fiat and then re-establishes a long forgotten Ruling House.
All of that is possible.
As for Fascisms relation to Capitalism: Fascism isn’t inherently pro-Capitalist per se. It simply uses commerce like it does the military - As an extension of it’s power.
But in a Fascist system, the yolk of the entrepreneurs and producers has to bow to the state, just like all the Generals and militarists.
This is what differentiates it from a Corporatocracy, Statocracy or Globalism, each of which is characterized by a group of people standing above the nationstate / government and using it for their ends instead.
So despite initial appearances, a fascist and a capitalist are not friends at all, they work towards very different directions with their longterm goals. They simply happen to “pass each other on the way” - Both have a strong system of commerce and keep it afloat to facilitate their schemes.
The best example came from you yourself. You mentioned LGBT, immigrants, cripples and the rest of “the others”.
A capitalist will preserve them in his system, because they are “debt slaves” that ensure his wealth with their continued existence. If they are ailing, even all the better - They can spend even more now by taking pills and expensive medicine as long as they live. And the more the better, no matter what they bring to the table. Commerce is king, no matter who facilitates it.
A nationalsocialist however will identify these people as a threat to his system and in one way or another remove them, if they cannot be “converted” into useful manpower.
That said speaking of alliances. if they had to pick, they’d pick each other over the Communist, because the Communist creates a one-party system that will beat down and villify both, Capitalist and Fascist. A diehard Communist sees no problem in destroying the industry as a whole for the sake of maintaining and exerting power (it’s been done before many times).
Whereas a Capitalist sees the industry as a means to become the top dog above everyone else and a fascist sees the industry as a useful tool for his armament productions. So that’s why post-war the Western countries pardoned all Nazis of a certainl calibre (having high tech knowhow, gadgets and intel made the decision easier, too, of course).
And if all of that sounds a bit too cynic, mind you: There is no Altruism in governing. You are of use or you are not. There is nothing outside of those two principles. Asset or Liability. That’s how a government judges it’s citizenry.
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that girl fed her papa toilet water…
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I appreciate your fresh takes.
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Some of you seem to have a really… basic concept of what “satire” is. Satire is not the same as pointing at a thing and literally saying out-loud the words “this is bad”. That isn’t satire. Satire does not need to beat you over the head with a “message”, it doesn’t even really have to have any “message” beyond “this is kinda absurd”. It certainly doesn’t need to have a narrator look down the camera and speak directly to the audience saying “kids, this is bad”. Satire can be subtle, if only some of the audience “get it” while it goes over the heads of others, that doesn’t make it “ineffective” satire, that is actually often the best type of satire.
40k is still most definitely satire. Maybe not explicitly of “fascism” however you want to define that, but it is most certainly satire of religion and religious dogma/fervour, authoritarionism, bureaucracy, xenophobia, fear of knowledge/technology, short-sighted personal ambitions bringing everyone down in the long-term, of Mccarthyistic fear-mongering and witch-hunting of “traitors” and “heretics” hiding round every corner (of which this thread is the ultimate irony).
Does an IP/hobby that is peacefully enjoyed by millions need to turn itself upside-down and purge itself of all flavour/colour in order to discourage the 0.01% of people being arseholes, when that probably wouldn’t work anyway, given that arseholes will always find a way to be an arsehole? No. Don’t be absurd. It makes as much sense as NRA gun-nuts saying guns in video-games cause gun violence IRL. No. Just stop it. Take your high-school level tiktok activism somewhere else.
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Your appology is truely appreciated. I will also appologize for my snarky retort. I also want to make clear I have read your whole post.
I am glad I was too busy to respond for some time because a number of people have already said some of what I would have said.
I’d like to just bounce off this and specifically add to it. Fascists, especially of the German Nazi, variety are National Socialists. And this is not some misnomer or trick they pulled despite what some historians have stated. They believed in a trade union lead revolution against the old status quouo and were fundamentally hegalian in their ideology. This makes them very, very, close cousins to socialists and communists. It was in fact the case that they the AFD was the largest trade union ever formed and all tradespersons were required to be apart of that union. The union did, in fact, have teeth and forced the capitulation of factory owners to the interests of the union and the state. Not only that but the fascist state under the nazis established socialized healthcare, socialized family benefits and pensions, etc. All manner of socialized systems were implemented. However its not appropriate to say they were socialist or communist in the truest sense of the word, they were not marxists. While they were heavily influenced by hegalian thought, dialectical models of progress, and the concept of an end to history. Their conception of the key contradiction to be resolved was not that of the class struggle but of the racial struggle. This is why the “nation” hitler was building wasn’t the german nation, he wasn’t a “nationalist” per se. He was creating a supranational structure out of all the people he defined as “german” to prepare for the inevitable conflict between the races (a hegelian concept). This is why he invaded Poland.
The term “right wing” here is a misnomer when describing the Nazis. They were decidedly socialist. HOWEVER they also have characteristics that are identifiably of the personality archetypes familiar to an unbiased review of conservative ethoses. They were inwardly focused and xenophobic (us vs them), they favored a strong heirarchy, they favored a military baring etc. It is perhaps more accurate to say that the Nazis were what conservatives would make if they were building socialism. Which is pretty strange to look at. But also explains a lot of the confusion about what they believed and why. Many of the directions chosen for the viscious extremes and crimes against humanity that the Fascists committed were the kinds of things you might expect out of conservatives who had “gone too far”. But they were also socialists which is why the methodology they used to execute these excesses was so identical to the crimes against humanity committed by the Communists throughout the 20th century under Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot…etc. Labor camps, death camps, genocides. All seem quite popular with these hegalian based ideologies.
Oh…Also the nazis didn’t believe in private ownership of capital and they just transitioned previous ‘owners’ into ‘leaders’ who could be replaced at the drop of a hat. That is to say they nationalized all capital into a wing of the state under the auspices that it then belonged to everyone. So, you know, the same thing and justification that Stalin had.
GW is not courting nazis anymore than they are courting communists.
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I probably should’ve closed this thread ages ago, it’s overall a bit too spicy for these forums. I think it’s run its course as much as it can.
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