Finished Damnation on my second try with randoms in pubs (the run is on YouTube, I had to carry it completely), and while pubs wasn’t cutting it for Hard mode, I did it the first time I joined an LFG on the discord. The run was like 6 minutes.
Knife Zealot can solo it relatively safely on hard mode, but it’s slow.
The fight is exposing some people for sure, but it’s not even the hardest thing in the game right now.
Personally I don’t remember how many times I tried, but at least the last time, the one in which we defeated the Twins, I was in voice communication with two friends much more skilled than me and I (Veteran with Laspistol and Knife) was the one dealing with mines, trash, and keeping Rodin tagged with Focus Target.
So yes, it’s a tough mission, but with the right team and well-defined roles it’s definitely doable.
They do if you’re willing to listen. Most people refuse to improve because they refuse to adress the fact that they are bad. Instead they blame other people or the game mechanics or bugs or whatever. Instead of ever asking how they should improve.
Pure copium.
Super true. I like to quote this one because I find it a demonstration both of the challenge of this mode and the growth of a friend:
One of my friends did 9 times more damage on the round he won than when he started trying
He took many tries yet he clearly grew until he won and that, to me, is a clear badge of merit. I like that kind of thing.
Its pretty easy to do in this game too. I’m certainly guilty of overestimating my competence. Its a co-op game where a skilled player can actually carry the other players AND fatshark (wrongly) decided to not include a stats board that would provide accurate measurements of performance.
Yet people will always resort to “tHe sTatBoArS mEAnS nOthEeeEnG” when faced with it as a performance indicator. If you are not able to avoid damage, kill specials and other dangerous targets and deal high damage you lack mechanical skill. Simple as. The entire argument against it, is and always was pure copium.
It is true that most people come here to brag and not really to help you, but it is also true that this event puts personal skill to the test and all four members of the team have to be good players if you want to succeed, which can be hard to find in matchmaking.
A lot of builds good enough (or which seems good enough when you get carried without knowing) to play regular damnation or auric won’t work here because it’s an arena without any map design that allows you to control the wave of elites. The first difficulty (the only real difficulty I should say, because once you can deal with that, it’s relatively easy) is the elite spam. If you can’t deal with multiple ragers/maulers/crushers and the occasional disabler on your own, you are severly handicaping the team. (Matchmade team I mean, when you can’t coordinate and specialise)
One of the easiest solutions I could recommend you to try first is a VoC veteran with plasma/revolver and a good dodge, fast horde clear weapon (Catachan combat knife or sword, shovel can also work).
On your first attempt, you may not want to try covering both boss damage and elite/horde control. You need to learn the rythm of the event a bit. But of course if you can see that the game is going well right from the start, I encourage you (if you feel comfortable in swiftly cleaning the elites) to keep your VoC for boss stagger. Keeping the plasma pistol guy down during the damage phase is helpful in many ways, and it can also help teammates tank a few hits while dealing damage. Normally you would keep VoC to help teammates during elite control and the ventilation phase. With luck you can do all of that since the cooldown is pretty short, but I don’t count on it.
The plasma is great as dealing damage to bosses, and also not bad against their shields, though I wouldn’t recommend wasting too much heat and ammo on shield duty with the plasma, or you will be short on both for the damage phase/the next wave of elites.
The revolver is easier and faster to use and just as good as the plasma for dealing with elites, it wont be easy to use agains bosses though, unless you are very good at hitting fast moving targets’ heads, because even with VoC, they won’t be staggered long enough to deal as much damage as you can do with the plasma gun.
The next optimal thing would be to couple the plasma/revolver with a chainaxe, or at least a chainsword, to do shield/boss damage. But you will lose mobility and potentially survivability if you’re not proficient enough with it.
The second easiest way to be efficient is simply to play ogryn gunlugger with Achlys stubber and Krouk knife (for mobility and horde clear). BUT, with this, if your team is not very efficient at clearing elites, you will be faced with a dilemma : using your ult to clear nearly all the elites in one go and lose most of your boss damage, or try to tank your way through the DPS phase. Best case scenario, you won’t even have this issue, a good run should take 6-7 minutes and you shouldn’t have to waste your ult to save the team from an elite onslaught.
The one thing to know, is that you should bring the shield down with regular stubber shooting and activate your ult once the shield is down. But the shield that you need to target is Rinda’s, because it’s weaker to ranged attacks. (And of course, killing Rodin is a priority).
A few random things :
Ok Regi, since you put so much effort into your reply im going to adress every point you make
how exactly does someone posting “yeah, i beat it at first try with my eyes closed!” help anyone or ad anything of any value to a thread “if im willing to listen”?
Nobody would ever lie on an internet gaming forum! Especially not about his in game perfomance. Thats unheard of! Right. you are either very, very, very naive or very, very, very …
No, i strongly disagree. a single “good player” can not pull 3 bad ones through a damnation mission. I guess you just vastly overestimate your on skill. Truth for you friend: all these times you were totaly sure that you single handedly pulled your team through a mission…you actually didnt. Also it wouldnt even be statistically reasonable to belive that i played roughly 60 damnation missions and beat 90% of them but this was always just because a great hero guy like you pulled me through.
Fatshark knew exactly what they did when they decided not to include a stats board. Simple example : if you played the armor dwarf class in vermintide 2, you ALWAYS ended up last on pretty much anything on the stats board, even tough youve been an extremely important part of the team and a lot of times, one of the main reasons you won. For that reason, a lot of people refused to play tank dwarf… i actually THANKED people for playing tank dwarf and told them how valuable they were in achieving a succesfull mission, just to encourage people to play this class… But that whole issue is a big can of worms and we wont be able to sort it out in this thread.
maybe i’m reading this wrong but there’s dudes solo’ing
far harder modifiers than simple damnation.
if the bad ones are actively sabotaging by pulling everything in range and getting one stuck in sheer numbers, yeah.
had a few auric maelstroms today when director just f’ed us, nurgle beast spitting me out right into a chaos spawn that yeeted me over a railing for example.
but for the guys playing at their pace alone or having his little padawan follow suit, carrying damnation is a regular thing.
Well considering the title of this thread was “Is the twins mission on damnation even doable?” and the question in your opening post was
Explaining that I did in fact beat it without much trouble in Damnation and furthermore beat it on my second try on Damnation Hardmode is a direct answer to the question of the thread and thus of direct value to you, the person posing the question. I also invoked to you quite literally the following proposed resolution to your problem:
Extended copium.
Bro I can solo a normal damnation mission. Lots of people can solo damnation missions. I cannot solo an auric mission though I’m pretty sure. I find soloing normal damnation pretty challenging as it is. Someone like Telopots and ChocoB can solo normal damnation missions and auric missions too if memory serves. Telopots and a friend of his ran duos on Auric Monstrous Specialists. Rather than being mad that people are better than you maybe accept it and learn how to get better. I’m worse than a lot of players but that’s just exciting. Room to grow.
Also have you never had to preform a solo clutch even once in all your games? I do this with some regularity and that is, by definition single handedly pulling my team through a mission.
Catered to a bunch of bitter whiners who hate objective reality and self improvement? The kind of person who’s ego cannot stand the idea that they’re not actually all that useful?
It’s doable, specific builds, good pre made group, several attempts, figure out the attack patterns etc.
I seen somewhere some fella SOLO YOLO it,… took like a fuken hour or something but.
There was a time when I thought that adding a scoreboard to the game would be a good thing. It would give people a more clear view on how they perform during a mission and give them a drive to improve themself. But now I’m pretty sure most people do not care about how they complete a mission, just that they do, and would not spend time to look into what made it possible for them to win.
Now I’d rather have a solo function, with improved and customizable bots.
Here’s a single good player pulling 3 through a twins hard mode fight (which is vastly harder than a damnation mission):
I’m sure people lie all the time, but in this case, yes the twins fight is doable on damnation, and lots of people have done it. A ten second search of youtube will reveal gobs and gobs of people doing this. I strongly suspect you’re failing at it because you’re getting pulled into the hard mode fight without realizing it, which is a lot harder without a coordinated team – but yes, it’s of course still doable, and again lots and lots of people have successfully done it and posted videos of it.
Thank you friend. I really appreciate that you took the time to actually type all this down in so much detail just to help a stranger on the internet doing something in a video game.
Crazy how much more complicated games get, when you try to do the max difficulty stuff. Im sure other people too who have trouble beating the twins will find this post and it will help them get the job done.
And to all the “I beat it at first try was super easy you just suck!” posters: THIS is what a helpfull and good answer looks like. Funny thing, im sure Themis didnt have to much trouble doing the twins on damnation, yet he doesnt even mention it because stating this wouldnt be relevant in any way. He would just be flexing about how good he is in a freaking videogame which is basically the most miserable thing a man can flex about.
Wut. Seem like you are just not really for damnation that’s it 
With more practice you will get it !
Cause when you are saying in a crybaby manner “it’s impossible to do” or “it’s unbeatable” you get answers you deserve like “get gut”. It’s a video game, there are always people who can beat something others can’t
Instead ask “guys, how can i become better” or “i need some advice”
Things are simple - if you want to become better then ask for tips or go on youtube and watch some good players.
If you don’t care
This is a videogame, its the most unimportant thing in my life, literally
Why is this thread even exists then? Play on heresy, having beercan in one hand and just chilling.
Ive been a casuall videogame player
So you are casual player with long gaming expirience, yet you still surprised there are people with better reaction/aim/reflexes or simple more time etc.
And why you drop so many regalia of yours?
i havent played anything but damnation in a year and its pretty rare that my team fails.
It’s just looks that you are insecure and arrogant as a result, trying to hide behind “i don’t care” and sarcasm.
That, I believe, is a problem with the design of the scoreboard rather than the scoreboard concept itself.
Buffing, completing objectives, tanking (not dying), picking up the least amount resources, and using stims and medpaks on teammates (keeping them alive) are all categories that, in my opinion, should always be on a scoreboard.
While damage is necessary, it’s not that exciting to me, and I wish Veteran had a real support medic class similar to, although poorly implemented, the medic in Aliens: Fireteam Elite.
Squad Leader is the best I have for now, and while I don’t usually top the scoreboard, I’m pretty good at turning bad situations around for the squad.
I couldn’t beat it on the first try.
First group I got randomed with rang the bells.
Good, I thought to myself, because I’m not going to waste my time running the fight on low difficulty. I was on my Ogryn since he is tanky and allow me to survive a bit to see the mechanics.
What occured to me after that first try is that the fight itself is not difficult, but the playerbase, lots came back to check out the update, you get queued in with makes it difficult.
So, for the first time ever in my almost 1500 hours of Darktide I went to Discord and joined a group there.
Me on my shield Ogryn, two Chorus Zealots and one Stealth Zealot and we did it first try, no problem.
I tanked all the specials, gunners, Bull Rushed and kept everything locked down etc. while the other three killed the bosses. I joined in on boss killing as well when only Rinda was the one left standing. Took us eight minutes. I’ve seen people doing it in six minutes.
Darktide is not a mechanically difficult game. If it were then I’d never be able to run aFirst run I got grouped with was Damnation HM. Good, because I’m not going to waste time running the fight on low difficulty. I went in with my Ogryn since he is tanky and allow me to survive a bit to see the mechanics.
What occured to me after that first try is that the fight itself is not difficult, but the playerbase, lots came back to check out the update, you get queued in with makes it difficult.
So, for the first time since in my almost now 1500 hours of Darktide I went to Discord and joined a group there.
Me on my shield Ogryn, two Chorus Zealots and one Stealth Zealot and we did it first try, no problem.
I tanked all the specials, gunners etc. while the other three killed the bosses. I joined in on boss killing as well when only Rinda was the one left standing. Took us eight minutes. I’ve seen people doing it in six minutes.
This is not a flex.
What I am trying to say is: that if a 37 year old with a child, wife and job (me) that’s always been terrible at shooters can beat Twins Damnation HM (credits to the other three of course) without much trouble, then just maybe, you need to accept that you need to practice and/or ask for help instead of having a big ego?
It is OK to ask for help!
geez, that literally gave me the vibe of a child stomping its feet with :“i didnt want that stupid doll anyways, you can have it”
why is it always, as soon as conversations boil down to gaps in skill, that the skill in question needed is lacking, the person in question is trying to belittle it?
oh these losers here, these losers there…
this is a discussion with people committed to this game, not father/employee of the month, or lawnmower expert.
here people compare their skill in darktide, some do auric solo, some do twins hardmode solo.
those are the “pros”, take it or leave it, superior in skill to any casual and most dedicated players.
people earn millions in sports by being superior to the masses, cause guess what, mediocricy is boring.
and others cheer them on for doing what they cant.
never saw the appeal in soccer or the like, they produce nothing of “value” in my eyes, neither is playing an instrument a skill that makes my life easier.
still all of them categories have well payed professionals and rightly so as others find enjoyment in watching it.
i could argue that anything else from martial proficiency and combat prowess is “useless” once society goes south but that would take this conversation way to far.
so for what its worth, this playground for adult kids enjoying slaying heretics, this little refuge from real life crap, its about skill and how to improve on it if you want to clear higher difficulties.
no ones earning something besides bragging rights and the thrill of it, apart from streaming entertainers, so no one is forced completing anything higher than he’s comfortable with.
Funny. I gave you the same pointers in a much shorter fashion in the first reply, yet you never bothered. I’m guessing you’re just mad that you got called out, by Reginald, me and others.
All the people having done damnation hard mode day one posted proof in one form or the other on the forums. Your “everyone is telling lies online” defense doesn’t really hold mich value, when we have people here that have video proof of soloing.
This lads, is the definition of cope.
Even if he sayed it in a “crybaby manner” like u call it… Everyone here can still choose not to answer like an elitist snob and give him a proper response (showing him how he could beat the twins) without childish flexing how low skilled he must be because he can’t handle even the normal mode on damnation or like everyone’s respond here how they beat the hard mode first day without lifting a finger … But if u rly think saying something in a “crybaby manner” give u or everyone here the right to give him “git gud” responses or he deserve such responses etc… Yeah then I think we have a completely different opinion when it comes to communication… But that’s ok… We have simply not the same behaviours! We are not the same 
But he said he doesn’t care and it’s unimportant for him.
