I thought the damage was actually alright without activation(vet crutchsword actually isn’t too bad damage-wise when unpowered, which many people probably don’t know), the cleave was the real issue(in both states).
Fatshark needs to learn from vermintide2, for example Bret. LS(feels similar doesn’t it?) while not having the best cleave, it has the flag that lets it cleave through armor. (in this game, it should be able to cleave through crusher, or at least attempt to if it got buffed cleave)
Yeah, I think whenever I say ‘damage’ half the time I do mean cleave. Cause yeah, I’ll kill that one pox walker real good, it’s his 15 brothers and sisters that get nothing that make me sad XD.
So yeah, I think I more mean cleave fully, as I can’t do damage if I only hit 2-4 things. (and I am used to the power sword on vet, which just has infinite cleave with Sunder, so it feels off ‘turning on’ and then basically just having a normal sword. Heck, even my devil sword tends to feel better just because it CAN have Savage Sweep, so chaining heavies will go through everything outside of armor, where as the Relic Sword just stops because it has no inherit cleave bonus).
Which can be fine, there are many weapons with low cleave values, but I’d think if it was meant to not be a wave clear machine, then it would do actual respectable damage to armor XD (instead of taking like 3-4 shots to kill a crusher, verses chain weapons/thunder hammer that take 1).
I mean Im just doing it because you care, Im sorry 
Im just trolling. Grammar Nazis need a lil trolling.
My English teacher is probably dead I think 
The swords probably could do with a lil tweaking but as I say, overall Im loving them. Top marks from me FS, good update imo.
“I’m just joking guys it’s just a prank” has never saved anyone’s face.
Once again you’re allowed to love mid weapons.
If you actually love the weapons you would want them to be better.
Even if I wasnt joking and my spelling and grammar were terrible, that you care about it that much concerns me slightly. Grammar Nazis always make me feel a slight pity for them. Your sense of superiority using language to make yourself feel smarter is pitiable.
I dont really value your opinion right now bud. Im off to use my top tier endgame weapon (thats sarcasm btw)
The only one constantly embarrassing themselves is you, judging by your posts on this forum. Antagonistic, know-it-all attitude. I pity you.
Youre not reminding me of anything except why I wont value your opinion.
What a pitiable bully you seem to be. Seriously, go have a nice day @ComradeHX
So Iv been considering this while using over the last couple of play-sessions and I think it IS more clunky at first. The Elven GS has a simpler moveset compared to the Relic.
As Iv played more I feel like Iv found most of the Elven GS’s moveset in there in some form. The thrusting stab you can charge (sadly not forever on the RB), the crisscross vertical sweeps, the lovely horizontal swipe of the block-push attack. To add, its also got some nice horizontals you can weave in for hordes.
Im enjoying this more than the E-GS which was one of my fave weapons in V2. I also think this performs better at higher levels with a lower skill ceiling.
That’s not exactly that. Note that I agree with you
But a lot think that this sword needs absolutely to be used with its special
While i agree this is better to fight an horde, i really think that this sword is not bad unpowered if you use it on a single enemy (or 2 / 3)
I really dig that you can do the classic blade beam sword strat with force greatsword and use it at point blank to hit with both the melee swing and the beam at the same time. Feels awesome to just obliterate something that way.
That said it also makes me sad that there is no way to pair the strong overhead heavies with the blade beam. It would be very nice to have special → light do the current sweeping beam, then have special → heavy do a lower cleave, higher damage vertical blade beam. Frankly running up to hit a crusher with a fully charged special heavy point blank should merc it outright considering how often you can use the fully charged special (not often at all).
Also anyone know how the blade beam interacts with various Psyker talents. I assume it counts as a warp attack, does it get the bonus cleave from warp splitting? Can the beam headshot? Etc
Any juicy info on beam mechanics please do share!
I’m giggling with the new Force Greatsword and loving it.
It’s moveset is almost literally a basic a HEMA longsword cutting exercise pattern.
I hated that thing in VT2, yet here…
Whether I value something isnt important to me? Do you really mean that? What a load of garbage! Ofc its important to me. What an incredibly strange thing to say.
What do you mean “demonstrably”? Can you even clarify that statement with a demonstration?
Youre talking so much trollish 
yes Im the victim here /s posting a thread about how much I love a weapon then @ComradeHX comes in and throws a hissy fit 
“your not youre!, youre a victim, its bad and youre bad, [insert more hurtful jabs here]” - like seriously, youve got NOTHING to say bud. Go hug a tree.
I use the Psyker Claymore in Havocs. I finished H29 today with it. What I love most about the psyker greatsword is that I use it as effectively as a greatsword is used in combat - by using sprinting attacks with it. The moveset feels so good, I don’t really care if I get the energy wave or not. The damage it does is just so good and so fun. I don’t even mind the extra hits to kill a crusher, the reach on this thing is enough for me to dress it in a gown and say “I do.”
Im happy to be the priest and consecrate this blessed union!
Sidenote, marks also count.
I have opted for the mark X at first on relic blade. The X seems really a lot more efficient. But the other one, seems terribly more slow, but so satisfying.
This is like the achlys, you have to rely on heavy hits, and this is good. However, as you can kill also groaners and poxwalkers also with light hits, it means that the X can be really better as you rely on light diagonal attacks.
I have to test further, cause, like achlys combat axe, I love such combat technics. However, what my scoreboard says is that it is totally inefficient. Maybe I just need training with the II.
Also, I have to test others blessings. With the II I want to test rampage (not sure cause 3s seems really short as window to take advantage of it, but may be sufficient) and energy leakage (I guess this one is situational).
I think that I have not yet well understood what is the best combination.
Cranial grounding seems bad. Heatsink, at contrary, seems great. Syphon should be good, if the sword was not so good with horde clearing (and so toughness is not a real problem). Wrath seems… unneeded. Devastating strike seems good on X, a little useless on the II.
Energy transfer, rampage and energy leakage are the ones I will test now.
I deffo prefer one mark over the other right now on both Relic and Great swords although that likely might change later on as I get better. Same happened in V2, weapons I once hated became amazing once I got gud.
Im also playing with blessings till I get a combo I like. Syphon hasnt really blown me away like I thought it would but Iv been having so much fun with it Iv not been experimenting, more just trying to get the hang of the new movesets.
The relic blade X can spam horizontal heavy attacks, however it is harder cause you have to go for push attacks (and it will always be the 3rd attack).
The II is great to spam horizontal heavy attack as it is the 2nd (and not the first that is like the X in my games), so you do a push, and then you can deliver an heavy horizontal swing.
This: Push > H2 > …
Really the best with II.
This weapon (relic blade) is really good. I am concerned that the vet PS seems a little stronger with energized hits. I am not sure that the relic blade should be buffed, cause I feel this weapon really balanced.
Due to the direct comparison that we cannot avoid (this is 2 power swords), I feel that it has to be balanced.
Other than that, I feel that this weapon need training. The 2 marks are really different and aim different uses.
I feel that, at contrary of vet PS, these weapons are a little weak against carapace. As we don’t have the damage chart for energized heavy swings / light swings, we cannot compare. But that’s my feeling. The relic blade are sufficient to kill crushers / maulers, but not as efficient as the vet PS can be.
Sorry for jumping in and going off-topic here, and I also wanna point out that person you replied to is on my blocklist. Only toxics or willfully ignorant ppl go there so I’m definitely not taking their side in this.
Before I start tho, please read to the end before replying, this won’t go as it might seem at first.
I’ve been a grammar nazi since I was a wee thing. I mean I don’t say it out loud & act like a jerk over it, but still. There’s a reason for it. While we all make mistakes - and I’m certainly no exception to that believe me -, there’s a lot to be said for the desire to learn better. Communication especially is an extremely important skill, every single time we talk with someone or write about something, we’re attempting to communicate.
A person then who communicates while repeatedly making the same simple mistakes, never caring to learn better, even acting insulted and dismissive when called out on it, implies something about their character: That they probably have that same lax attitude and low standards about everything else they do. They probably don’t bother verifying their information sources, likely ignore most healthy critique - internal or external -, don’t really self-reflect, nvm self-correcting their own views or developing their skills based on new information in general. In short: it speaks for low intellect, low interest in learning, and casts a serious shadow of doubt over every single thing that person says or believes.
Except, well… It doesn’t really work out that way does it? While I absolutely believe in the correlation of all the above, in practice I’ve learned there are just far too many exceptions to even call them exceptions at all. Language, culture, education, not to mention things like dyslexia, ADHD & other neurodivergence, personality and so many other things easily explain away the grammar in people who absolutely are otherwise prudent and trustworthy in whatever they do. So throughout my whole life I’ve had to try & unlearn that attitude above, unsuccessfully.
Doesn’t help that being neurodivergent myself, there’re a million things about language & communication that to me at best feel like semantics, but to almost everyone else are vitally important nuances that can change their entire meaning. Which has led me to an endless number of misunderstandings and hurt feelings without me even realizing what went wrong. Being a grammar nazi when I’m like that? It just makes me nothing short of a hypocrite.
But, well, anyway. That’s how I feel about grammar. I am trying to learn better ofc, but that’s no excuse.
Reading comprehension?
My exact words: “Whether you value something or not is demonstrably irrelevant.”
Google up definition of demonstrably.
But sure I’ll play your little game. It’s easily demonstrated, as with all my comments above where I don’t give a flying f**k about your “love” for mid weapon. You’re simply irrelevant.
It’s funny you start the trollcusation after all that bad grammar you supposedly intentionally used. It’s only trolling when someone else does it better than you do, huh?
You’re the one throwing a hissy fit , I literally told you it’s okay to love a mid weapon, when I call it mid and provide plenty of evidence on why.
like seriously, youve got NOTHING to say bud. Go hug a tree.
Here’s my first comment in this thread:
Comparing this to your comments and we can all see you’re seriously unhinged. How about you stop throwing that hissy fit? Once again if you actually love a weapon you would want it to be better.