How many weapon marks could we potentially see

[Heretical_Cactus]

Past weapon updates:

2023 brought 20 weapon mark in 2 updates:

Tool of War in March:

• 2 Blaze Force Swords (Psyker)
• 2 Bully Club (Ogryn)
• 1 Power Sword (Veteran)
• 1 Thunder Hammer (Zealot)
• 2 Twin Linked Heavy Stubbers (Ogryn)
• 2 Combat Shotguns (Shared)

Traitor Curse in November/December:

• 2 Sapper Shovels (Veteran)
• 2 Latrine Shovels (Ogryn)
• 1 Chain Axe (Shared)
• 1 Chain Sword (Veteran)
• 1 Evicerator (Zealot)
• 1 Revolver (Shared)
• 1 Laspistol (Shared)
• 1 Combat blade (Shared)

2024 brought 14 weapon marks also in 2 updates

Secret of the Machine God in June:

• 3 Pickaxes (Ogryn)
• 2 Shock Mauls (Shared)
• 1 Bolt Pistol (Shared)
• 1 Assault Shotgun (Shared)

Grim Protocol in December

• 2 2h Power Swords (Zealot)
• 2 2h Blaze Greatsword (Psyker)
• 3 Heavy Stubber (Ogryn)

With the missing Veteran weapon (Unknown atm what and when it is), we can wager that 1 or 2 marks were planned putting it at 15-16 weapon marks

This give us an average of 18 marks per year.

Now if we consider that every weapon family/model is meant to get 3 marks (Staves, Rumbler/Kickback, Shield being their own special cases) we’re missing the following (This is from past model datamining, do remember that datamining something doesn’t mean it will 100% happen, see Vt2’s Flame Wall staff and Grenade Launcher, BG3’s Avernus and High City…):
Melee:

• 2 Power Mauls (Ogryn)
• 1 Power Sword (Veteran)
• 1 Shock Maul (Shared)
• 1 Chain Axe (Shared)
• 1 Combat Blade (Shared)
• 1 Chain Sword (Shared)
• 1 Evicerator (Zealot)
• 1 Thunderhammer (Zealot)
• 2 Crusher (Zealot)
• 1 2h Power Swords (Zealot) not datamined
• 1 2h Blaze Greatsword (Psyker) not datamined

Ranged:

• 2 Combat Shotgun (Shared)
• 2 Bolt Pistols (Shared)
• 2 Bolters (Shared)
• 1 Laspistol (Shared)
• 1 Revolver (Shared)
• 2 Plasma Gun (Veteran)
• 2 Flamers (Zealot)
• 2 Grenadier Gauntlet (Ogryn)
• 1 Rumbler/Kickback (Ogryn, datamined content point to Slug version)

For a total of: 13 melees and 16 ranged

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I’d rather quite like to see a 50% new weapon marks, so about 10 marks for the current sets, and 10 spread around on various new weapons

Examples for possible future marks to current weapons:

Ranged:

Dual Revolver/Laspistol/Bolt-Pistol/Autopistol

John Blanche (Bolt Pistols) / Petros Stefanidis (Hand Flamers) / Mark Gibbons (Autopistols)

I don’t really think there is much sense to have 3 different Dual Revolver/Laspistol/Bolt-Pistol, and that Blessing wise, it doesn’t really break any of the current ones nor need new ones.

This could also apply to any future 1h ranged weapon (Plasma Pistol, Hand Flamer…), and for mechanical ease, keeping it to Dual weapons and not having them be Plasma + Bolt etc…

Mechanically:

• Action 1: Shoot alternately 1 gun after the other
• Action 2: Braced both gun
  → Revolver - Boltpistol: Shoot 1 gun after the other
  → Laspistol - Autopistol: Shoot both at the same time
• Action 3: Pistol whip or other special from the 1h version (As to keep the blessings)

Cosmetic: use the same skins as the 1h versions, either duplicating it to the 2nd weapon, or letting you pick either skin separately, not in the manner of weapon customisation, but by having multi modelled weapons be split in different pages

Grenadier Gauntlet

• Slug version: No explosion, but faster rate of fire, faster melee loop based more on straight jabs
  → Special: Armour piercing close ranged strike
• Fire grenade: Small pool of fire, bigger area of effect, slower melee loop based more on sweeps
  → Special: Firebreath shot

Flamer:

• Fire pike: Increase range of the flame, but decrease the cone of action
• Traditional Flamer: Give it the ability to set the ground on fire for some moment.

Bolter

• More precise version of the Bolter (More damage, but slow rate of fire and less ammo)
• Magdump version of the Bolter (Less damage, but high RoF and ammo reserve)

Bolt Pistol:

• More precise version of the Bolter (More damage, but slow rate of fire and less ammo)
• Dual Bolt Pistol

Combat Shotgun:

Sadly I don’t really think there are ways to make it work with the current blessings, so they’ll probably need to be treated as separate weapon family

• Slug (Pseudo Stub Rifle)
• Jurry Bolt rounds

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Melee:

As melee weapons for the most part are just different move sets, I’ll just list certain mechanics that I’d like to see on certain new marks.

• 2h Force Sword: Vertical Ranged attack that deal stronger damage, but is harder to get whole hordes with
• Evicerator: Using Bretonnian 2h Sword’s move set
• 2h Power Sword: Improving Elven Greatsword’s move set
• Thunderhammer: Using 2h Dwarven Hammer’s move set
• Crusher: Improving WP’s 2h Hammer move set’s move set

For dual melee weapons, I’d consider those to be better off being treated as new weapon family, with a couple of designated sets (Catachan Swords, Catachan Daggers, Catachan Sword and Dagger, Dual Chain Axes…).

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[Rvl]

During the early days people datamined icons for Hell pistol, Scoped Bolter, Long-Las, Melta Gun, 2h Chainaxe. We’re also missing additional marks of Autopistol, Flamer, Plasma Gun that were in the game files.

[Ralendil]

you have forgotten revolver and plasma gun

In fact, every family is planned to have 3 different mark.

I wait more for the new families and even more for a balance pass.
There are a lot of weapon that I won’t pick cause they are too bad. When I mean that, I mean that several weapons have no niche and are so weak that you have no reason to pick them.

As an example… try other marks of IAG… columnus is the one that kill things faster. Other mark have somewhat an use, but they are so weak…
Shotgun… why taking it? if I want a “sniping” gun I should take revolver. If I want the devastation part, Boltgun is better.
Tactical axe. Great… combat axe deal way more damages, and combat blade also.
Etc. I don’t say that these weapons (and others I have not quote) have no utility, I say that several weapons are really weaker and should be buffed.
And outrageous OP ones should also get a nerf.
This is also something important when you introduce new weapons…

I expect the new weapons to be on same path of relic blade and greatswords. Not Op, just good. Even if I am not sure that Relic blade is not a little too strong.
But really, I want new families, to get new mechanics.

[psyk]

the free skins for bolter come with a curved mag unlike the base i think its safe to say at some point we might get a new bolter mark

[Heretical_Cactus]

@Rvl

Hell pistol

That one I’ve never seen mentioned in the files (I’ve been one of the dataminers)

@Rvl

We’re also missing additional marks of Autopistol, Flamer, Plasma Gun that were in the game files.

That’s those:

@Heretical_Cactus

Melee:

• 2 Power Mauls (Ogryn)
• 1 Power Sword (Veteran)
• 1 Shock Maul (Shared)
• 1 Chain Axe (Shared)
• 1 Combat Blade (Shared)
• 1 Chain Sword (Shared)
• 1 Evicerator (Zealot)
• 1 Thunderhammer (Zealot)
• 2 Crusher (Zealot)
• 1 2h Power Swords (Zealot) not datamined
• 1 2h Blaze Greatsword (Psyker) not datamined

Ranged:

• 2 Combat Shotgun (Shared)
• 2 Bolt Pistols (Shared)
• 2 Bolters (Shared)
• 1 Laspistol (Shared)
• 1 Revolver (Shared)
• 2 Plasma Gun (Veteran)
• 2 Flamers (Zealot)
• 2 Grenadier Gauntlet (Ogryn)
• 1 Rumbler/Kickback (Ogryn, datamined content point to Slug version)

[Ralendil]

@psyk

i think its safe to say at some point we might get a new bolter mark

Planned a light version and an heavy one
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[psyk]

[Heretical_Cactus]

@Ralendil

you have forgotten revolver and plasma gun

@Heretical_Cactus

Ranged:

• 2 Combat Shotgun (Shared)
• 2 Bolt Pistols (Shared)
• 2 Bolters (Shared)
• 1 Laspistol (Shared)
• 1 Revolver (Shared)
• 2 Plasma Gun (Veteran)
• 2 Flamers (Zealot)
• 2 Grenadier Gauntlet (Ogryn)
• 1 Rumbler/Kickback (Ogryn, datamined content point to Slug version)

Unless more than 3 were datamined. I did not.

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[Heretical_Cactus]

Afaik the Heavy/Light was mostly interpretation (due to models I suppose), don’t remember it being noted anywhere

[MarxistDictator]

When they mentioned the gauntlet forever ago in response to someone bemoaning its lack of splash they said the current variant is for single target direct damage. So maybe we could get a splash oriented one missing most T5 breakpoints but with more ammo (it was modeled with 5 grenades before they changed it).

Also the Sturmdrang chainaxe is about the last of the datamined things I would like to see, along with melta obviously…it was nice to have new weapons for a change. New stuff. The game cries out for new stuff.

[TrueZealot]

I’m not expecting a continuation of last years trends. The past almost 3 years has been marred with mulitple population problems that only quick content/fixes couldve solved.