Yeah VET gets hit hard with this. But my main issue with Havoc… Or the balance of the game in general is most classes feel this way just maybe not as much. Zealots bring chorus and duelling and boltgun/flamer. One with beacon one with benediction for auras.
And then bubble psyker with flame and maybe trauma.
Ogyrn… You can’t do Gun Ogyrn. Taunt or bull rush, but shield likely. Ogyrn gets hit hard too.
I honestly would prefer a lot more Havoc modifiers like maelstrom modifiers where it’s mostly melee enemies and no ammo pickups and melee enemies are a lot faster or something.
If I recognize a name and he’s fun to play with, that. Otherwise I don’t feel like playing the statistics game and just smash away accepts unless it’s obviously just Havoc rank 16s looking for a carry. I try not to load up on more than 2 of the same class though cause it tends to tilt people unfortunately (can also be very fun though)
Nah, I’ve played with a few Ogryns too.
(had a few quit out after getting downed multiple times)
In general just avoid them now vs. other classes considering they have no class abilities that contribute to buffing the team and they are giant targets for the overtuned ranged enemies.
Not saying some Ogryns aren’t great, just generally less desirable for Havoc when choosing randoms.
works fine, bubble and book gonna be there anyways so i see no value in adding redundance.
stuff needs killing and the branx does a very good job at it.
that being said, you need to be on the top of your game so i usually only pick havoc 40 when i’m rested and warmed up.
aka easy mode.
by this time i’m so fed up with one trick ponies think ing they’re the hot when all they do is pop a talent to negate the difficulty setting.
yes gunners are a nuisance but the whole havoc crap right now is making people bring guns to a fist fight and brag about their “skills”
are there good zealots and psykers, hell yeah, but the majority that simply get dragged along, undeserving of any merit in terms of mechanical skills like aim and movement, just for the sake of an easier run is quite frankly pissing me off.
seen quite a few “true survivors” fold like paper bags in even HISTG when their almighty bubble isnt occupied any longer for there’s no need or the zealot shouting yellow toughness after the fights already finished.
keep in mind this isnt a jab at you personally, havent seen you ingame so i dont assume anything, but what i"ve seen so far in my matches is enough for me.
for better or worse i’ll stick to my oggy-only, if anything i take more pride in completing something without the cookie cutter build.
damn these antibiotics make me rant-ish
oh and by the way, it seems another “smart move” thanks to the brillant havoc demotion thingie is me NOT playing this week, for doing so i only lose one rank down to 39.
picking an “adequate” level to get the weekly done giving my snotty-situation im in right now,courtesy of a nasty infection, would mean having me at 30-35 next week.
i’m fit enough to carry auric maelstrom and HISTG but the flipside of my ogryn coin is having the decency and respect for the dude opening his 40 to “be there” at my best.
inspired by the last few comments ive been looking into havoc 40 videos without any bubbles or books - a feat i thought impossible, but lo and behold someone actually posted something
Vets have VOC which is insanely useful in havoc. Ogryn doesn’t have any toughness buff for team.
I play as Ogryn but feel Ogryn has less obvious benefits for havoc.
That said, horde clearance from Ogryn is invaluable in havoc. He can really help keep things at bay from the team and also do lots of 1 hit donks on crushers etc.
People ignore Ogryn in havoc for lack of obvious benefits, but when combined with the other archetypes, he really is very useful. Same with Vet imo.
It’s why havoc works best when there is 1 of each of archetype imo. Quite clever to be balanced in that way tbh.
I think the bigger issue is, a lot of people want VoC, Chorus, Smite / Bubble. After that you have 1 spot to fill, not enough ammo for another vet, and as you said Ogryn has no obvious benifit, so people bring either a dps focused psyker, or dps focused zealot.
It gets harder & harder to even find three other people to play with, let alone competent players.
As of now I haven’t reached above Havoc 21 and I have to say unless I get just lucky, I don’t see myself reach LV40 with that awful Party Finder & Demotion System.
at week 2 the chances were good to get a 40 done, since then diminishing options.
in the first week i could understand people testing the waters with careful approaches.
at week 2 it was a bit easier finding one despite playing ogryn, even had a few great matches, 1 where my oggy was topping off about everything, with a branx no less (1 of each class, so the book/bubble was there of course)
after that, either lazy or plain scared chicken, fighting over scrap in fear of demotions.
lazy will only pick convinient classes for an easier win, god beware to actually have a difficult content.
scared is far worse cause they expect you do the works despite being clad in training wheels.
while the first still knows what he’s doing to some degree, the second dooms the run from the start
I’ll never get my rank higher than 21 because literally no one is hosting and I can’t start a game myself because I did a rank 4 just to work on my 100 mission achievement before understanding how the rank system works so now I’m just rank 4 forever now.
I don’t think I really had a chance because I was away travelling for the entire first month after havoc released and it’s basically dead content now.
For Havoc when you log in it isn’t searching for all parties in one region i.e. EU, NA East etc but more of a server instance of a handful of players. That’s why it feels empty or hardly any parties running.
Very similar to Mourning Star it is only handful of players walking around/using terminals. Havoc party finder is like that.
However in regular missions when you match make and press E to select region then it really is whole region search for regular missions. That is why it is super fast in less than 3 seconds
Havoc would be played alot more if it had public match making by whole region.
Also remove rank decay. Makes no sense - It is like if you played normal mission board T5 Auric then failed few times or didn’t play for weeks then to play that difficulty again you would be forced to play T3 and T4 first to select T5. Which in turn makes people very selective about who joins a party due to that penalty. If no rank decay people wouldn’t mind losing a game with RNG team mates, no backwards progress.
It might have something to do with the new “Brute Conscripts” mission modifier event on Auric missions. As a Havoc 40, I am personally grinding that event for Ogryn-related kills for my “Bestiary” penances (Crusher/Mauler/Reaper) which would take forever to complete otherwise (and I play a TON of Darktide lol).
After I get those, I’ll have all penances at that point, and will be actively sharing my rank 40 havoc every week because I honestly enjoy havoc a lot. I can’t speak for others.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it being “dead” right now, as I don’t think havoc is a dead game mode, but it’s a great opportunity right now to work on a much longer, and arguably more difficult group of penances to obtain - if you care about those ones
when all they do is pop a talent to negate the difficulty setting.
