Much higher time spent, much higher kills, much more teamwork required = a sad amount of rewards at the end.
We get it, it is the endgame and the experience itself and completion are the reward. Alas
Could you please adjust the values to be reasonable when putting it in contrast to Auric Maelstrom.
XP past 30 is a completely irrelevant statistic
If it’s so Irrelevant then why is it a consistent baseline at the end of every match.
Cause it’s easier to just have it give exp all the time rather than checking if you don’t have max level
havoc should give no reward whatsoever and simply standout as a test of skill and adaptability.
yet here we are seasons later and the thing is still a slog right now with all the wrong parameters surrounding it. 
I’m sure the weaves 3.0 in their next game will be the one actually based around understanding the game and being good at it and have some element of replay value. Definitely not spam and ‘surge’ spawning because clown car’ing as many enemies as get removed in the same number of seconds is just peak design. I’m sure Waaghtide or Vermintide 3 or Darkertide will find the right balance between not fun by design and straight up unenjoyable.
I’m fairly positive that everyone that plays and enjoys Havoc would agree that it would merit atleast 20k XP which would equal very easy boogermonster memestrom.
If all people do is grind havoc 40 up and down, they could atleast receive the SAME amount of XP as something that’s unbelievably easier.
XP & LvL is a metric by which you can tell who plays the game, titles are worthless in that regard and lets face it. Casual players won’t even engage with havoc in that sense so no harm done in actually adjusting the reward values.
You shouldn’t play havoc under lvl 30 and as others pointed out XP is irrelevant above 30, and before you start itching about true player level, that is irrelevant too, their in game/battle performance is what matters.
I’ve seen high true level players being absolute dogsht and low level ones being really good.
Havoc in general should offer unique rewards - something besides the armor (that only the 4 og character get anyway), but at this point that will not change.
It would be nice if it offered something meaningful yes but we’re stuck with what we got, it’s the only thing to progress in the game and you get barely anything. The Skin is cool but the reality of the matter is that for groupplay there is nothing else to do, auric is too easy and havoc is difficult for all the wrong reasons.
It is what it is.
It giving no resources/weapons/exp making it less worthwhile than the other would be too punishing.
who enters havoc while still needing resources?usually people demand a pretty tight loadout as well, so 2-3 weapons “valid” on each class for both melee and ranged.
that should be done&done by the time someone leaves damnation, much less auric maelstrom.
havoc (and while I truly despise that part) is pretty “fixed” when it comes to what character and loadout aint gonna get “rejected”, so if you rock the “meta” what’s there to build or improve?
goes for lower havocs as well, people should “finish” and kit out their char before entering the party finder ideally
Just because you’re done, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get rewarded for accomplishing something 99% of the playerbase cannot achieve.
The argument that you shouldn’t get anything once you’re done is stupid, IRL is a collective fund for everything yet profits are privatised. Do you really wish for the game to reflect that?
Invest your time and effort and get nothing in return. Jesus christ, what are you ppl smoking.
Reward was never the point about playing Havoc, or modded difficulties in Vermintide 2 for that matter.
I’d say it’s a bad idea for it to give nothing because when I got my scum into level 30 (I got My 40 assignment as well as Havoc 40 completed before that), people hosting other H40 kept instarejecting me as scum because he was freshly level 30 (yes even tho H40 was showing up)
If I couldn’t grind XP with scum I’d be forced to always host myself if I wanted to play Scum, only after reaching around level 35-37 with scum I was allowed into other parties of H40
I did actually
I started playing the game around September 2024, right before the crafting update
I quickly reached Maelstrom cuz the game was really fun and I grinded lots of it cuz I wanted resources for my other weapons
Then Havoc was added, which them with the weekly crate allowed me to keep upgrading my stuff
Back then I could only use Zealot for Havoc since I only had DS, Knife and Tacaxe maxxed out, alongside a Zarona revolver and Braced Autogun, so I defenitely needed the materials from the weekly caches (this would allow me to create other classes with Havoc ready loadouts)
And so I did, after the stuff started rolling, I was able to get lots of stuff up maxxed thanks to Havoc
Also I really want to say that a lot of people judge others based on True Level whenever you get accepted into a party or not. Is it stupid? Most likely, but it’s still a thing
thats why truelevel should show account level.
them boneheads cant even seem to recognize havoc 40 insignia and true survivor.
what more safety net do they need.
another reason I 
on that mode and what people think they “desperately need” to not fail.
got a new rig build the first week of beta 
tested it before with my then 2080 and an i7 and thought “that’s the game you move in soon for the next couple years, so you might have a nice living room while doing so” 
so yeah, I was there before “reroll until rarity” and 2 choices on a weapon until bricked 
