Handmaiden level 30 row talents&her passives

[Velsix]

@Frostysir

Isnt loading so much of her kit power into trying to “save her team” bad? Why not load more into making her better at preventing those fails from actually occurring?

Because that’s not Handmaiden’s identity. Fatshark has already decided Handmaiden is to be a reactionary revive specialist unfortunately. I don’t like it. At least Foot Knight has It’s Hero Time as a talent choice and not a passive.

@Frostysir

It lets him easily clear out any smaller group of nonshields/CW´s and makes him an excellent frontline fighter, even more so than any handmaiden not using shield i´d say.

Shade doesn’t have to rely on invisibility to get backstabs. You just need someone to take aggro for it, which is easily done by any of the frontliners like Merc, IB, WHC (depending on weapon) etc. who can just push and take aggro off of the Shade. Cloak of Mists being on a 33 second cooldown is just silly. I think even just a conflag spamming Sienna will make it pretty easy.

Doesn’t happen easily in qp but qp is impossible to balance for.

[waterbottle]

@SlashKex

talents which no longer require HM to dash through enemies to proc some meaningful effect

This hit the nail on the head. This is the reason why no one complains about Slayer or Zealot’s ults. Their ults are great steroids, the potential distance is a bonus, and they don’t separate them from the team.

By the way if Pyro’s ult is problematic, is Waystalker’s one as well?

[Frostysir]

@Velsix

Because that’s not Handmaiden’s identity. Fatshark has already decided Handmaiden is to be a reactionary revive specialist unfortunately. I don’t like it. At least Foot Knight has It’s Hero Time as a talent choice and not a passive.

We can protest that!^^

Having a passive dedicated to it is fine but loading even more to it i´ll object to.

@Velsix

Shade doesn’t have to rely on invisibility to get backstabs. You just need someone to take aggro for it, which is easily done by any of the frontliners like Merc, IB, WHC (depending on weapon) etc. who can just push and take aggro off of the Shade. Cloak of Mists being on a 33 second cooldown is just silly. I think even just a conflag spamming Sienna will make it pretty easy.

I mean sure she can get some in with a frontliner like that, heck she can even get some in by herself by dodging around on occasion but without vanish would be absolutely nowhere near the level that she is at presently and would be far far more “normal”.

She would not be decimating stormvermin patrols like nothing for instance, two or three kills in and she´d have at least a few targeting her and making it impossible to just sweep through them.

[Frostysir]

@SlashKex

This whole running through enemies to get a buff does my head in when playing as Handmaiden…".

All suggestions are welcome, discussion is needed!

@SlashKex

Make no mistake, this is not attempt at derailing this thread. I just simply want to point out that unless the ult itself is changed, or we get talents which no longer require HM to dash through enemies to proc some meaningful effect, the HM running away problem WILL persist.

I was also thinking about this you know? .c I was trying to get wraith walk added as a passive so she´d have a default way of making it back to her team. Later on in the thread i also raised the suggestion of having bladedancer work a bit similar to the battlewiz double jump

First dash - bleed and then a second one that only exists for mobility.

@waterbottle

This hit the nail on the head. This is the reason why no one complains about Slayer or Zealot’s ults. Their ults are great steroids, the potential distance is a bonus, and they don’t separate them from the team.

The idea of mobility isnt wrong per say but it yields so little for her that it ends up being really unsatisfying or even demanding to use.

@waterbottle

By the way if Pyro’s ult is problematic, is Waystalker’s one as well?

Both targeting systems are shot and need work, difference is that similarly to handmaiden, Pyromancer´s level 30 row isnt inspired or fun to use…waystalker does have this issue to a degree as well though given how nearly all her ammo is loaded into Kurnous.