Halberd combo changes are going against weapon design philosophy of Vermintide

[doom_hamster]

@Rebel

Another point is that the previously aforementioned design decision by Fatshark to have intentionally imperfect attack chains hasn’t really been kept up with. A lot of the simpler weapons to use like greatsword or executioner are strong and don’t rely on combos in any way, and don’t have any imperfect attack patterns, meanwhile they outperform Halberd.

@Incandescent

honestly the only weapon that remains with “imperfect” combos would be flail

Not only flail (which i quite like). There’s some more

sword+dagger
sienna mace (which i didn’t liked)
sienna dagger
glaive

to a lesser extent:
axe+shield and sword+shield
kruber+sienna 1h sword
edit: and elven spear

True, there’s more weapons with best attacks that can instantly be launched and repeated. But it kinda proves my point that the arsenal as a whole needs more diversity, not less. There should be place for everything: easy to use weapons, and difficult to use weapons.

@Rebel

Another thing with old halberd that I had a problem with was thematics. It’s a polearm weapon, but hardly used any sort of stabbing attack, when in real life it focused on stabbing and chopping, with stabbing taking the more important role, which is why I love the new attack pattern with the double stab attack followed by an overhead chop.

well, a term “polearm” and even the “halberd” itself could mean anything really. By these 2 words alone you can’t say how this weapon is supposed to be used. There’s short and long polearm/halberds, there’s polearms designed for more thrusting or more chopping or in-between. Personally i lean towards the idea that the weapon ingame isn’t a typical halberd, but a pollaxe. i’ve made a thread for this even. Is our "halberd" actually a halberd? Or is it a poleaxe?

@Incandescent

as for animation timings, yeah I never managed to get around to cleaning those up unfortunately. There were a few things that needed some more polish but just never managed to get that final update out

some things can’t easily be fixed with animation timings, when the order of attacks gets changed that drastically. You need to redesign the whole animation - in case of Light sweep ↔ Heavy sweep chaining being from the same direction.