Fatshark 'open to conversation' on Dueling Sword

As I say there are several approches that can correct the current problem.

Nerfing carapace is definitively one of them. But it could also be nerfing carapace and a little its ability to deal with horde so easily.
With agile, it is really easy to deal with horde with a DS (tbh even without agile, it is). As I said, I don’t play with uncanny, but I played with agile. And agile + horde control of the DS makes things too easy…

Dude, this sounds so familiar! The only things that I haven’t replaced yet are:

  • keyboard (due to my work)
  • mouse (but I’m almost ready to buy a new one, literally choosing rn)
  • monitor
  • PC cables (like HDMI, Ethernet, Power, etc)

Otherwise, I’ve literally replaced everything, including the OS (writing from Linux + Xfce + Xan mod Kernel)

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I disagree with most of it.

DS could do with being lightly nerfed, not everything brought up to its standard.

There are so many good weapons and noobs suck with or without the DS. The game does cater towards a certain type of player and sadly thats why none of the Tide games ever got that popular, but they have a dedicated fanbase and there is a reason why. This does not, however, mean that people need a meta build to play the game. Total hyperbole. A poor player might need a meta build to play on Heresy, but that really means they need to get better (like, actually dodge once in a while its amazing how many players dont dodge at all), and not rely on a DS meta build etc. There are SO many effective weapons in the game and you KNOW this, since youve used them all!

Most weapons are fun, working as intended and effective. There are some issues with some weapons for sure, but you make it sound like the DS is the only effective weapon in the game because… jank?

If your game suddenly starts acting that badly out of nowhere, you should really look at things on your end, especially when many people dont have these same issues. Most people that DO have the issues you mentioned either play on wifi, dont have a PC up to specs or have some other hardware/software issue. The one outlier from that is iirc, the game has an issue with some Radeon cards. Im sure there are others, but these are the exception, not the rule.

That’s true. If a “poor player” picks DS on Auric/Damnation he still constantly dies. No matter what class is it. There is absolutely nothing DS can do to rise up such a player’s skill higher.

That’s true again. I literally having this experience right now. Actively searching replacements (and looks like I found one lol)

Just look for a couple of posts higher.

Yes, but how many? And is it differs from geo?

The post directly above, not that one.

If it was more, we would be seeing it on the forums for sure. There are plenty of regular players here who would pipe up if the game was actually that bad regarding stability. Im not saying its the most stable game in existence, more that many people dont have these issues.

There are so many things it could be and most of them are probably not FS’s fault. The game does have its stability issues but something I see all the time in many game forums are people blaming the game and the most common thing people say on any game is “I play other games and they are fine”.

Which means its most likely the issue is at the user end, not the developer.

Im playing on an RTX 4070Ti with an i5 8600 @3.10 GHz and 32GB ram on Win7 and I play with everything on low to get a stable 90fps and above normally but I only get maybe 40-60fps while streaming. My computer isnt exactly a beast, but its pretty good compared to most people and I still have to play on low with raytracing off etc to stream. The Tide games are extremely needy when it comes to internet stability especially if you wanna stream at the same time.

Apologies, although this post now addresses that as well :slightly_smiling_face:

If you have replaced many components, then the issue is likely NOT with FS, its maybe even something out of your control. My bro lives a mere 20 miles away from me out of the city but they never replaced the cables to the hub, even though they brought fiber to his area. As such, his speeds are abysmal compared to mine.

There are so many variables as to what it could be.

It’s funny because at the end of the day it doesn’t matter

As long as you put the DS and all other weapons in whatever test You want (with any of the conditions you said) DS will do overall better

And why is it important to You?

Exactly, because it’s busted

Why would you only accept nerfs if the majority is against you?

Also wdym “vets decided NOW that they don’t like the weapon”, people already kinda realized that after it got buffed while it was still Psyker exclusive, it needs a partial reversion from those buffs (and I guess nerfs somewhere else)

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Somehow posted same reply twice, whoops :sweat_smile:

So you reading every single post on the forums I sure? Because there is a lot (not the majority but the lot) people having same problems. I’ve seen/hearded same problems in many Darktide popular youtubers content, seen some similar posts in Steam community and so on.

Agree

Well, it differs

Now I’m playing with RTX 3080Ti (which is a bit lower than 3090 in every single task exclude amount of VRAM), 5700X3D and 64GB RAM. My PC connected directly (no wifi) to Mikrotik hAP ax^3 with a gigabit connection which is directly (no wifi) connected to a GPON terminal (fiber optic) with a physical speed of 1Gbps. Also:

  • Darktide
  • OS
  • Swap

locating on my m.2 Samsung 980 PRO (PCI-E 4.0) with really good IOPS like an enterprise-grade. And it was still not good enough. So after I’ve changed every switch/option in “Video” game submenu, now I’m running a custom user_settings.config file to improve game responsibility.

But finally, most of “styky”'s problems are still similar for my setup.

Please read above

Sorry if I was being inconvenient. My words “the entire gaming community decides to make my personal gaming experience harder” have a kind of sarcasm. Of course I meant “the entire gaming community decides to nerf this weapon”.

This is not quite true, please read above

No ofc not, but I have a tab pinned and I see many posts that fly past. I generally see when there is a huge influx of problem posts, usually right after a big patch.

What Im saying is, its the kind of thing you notice because suddenly everyone and their dog are saying the same thing.

Aye for sure. When most people post “when solo” or “dead game” on steam forums and not “this doesnt work” its safe to infer, imo, that the game is at least reasonably stable for the majority. Having seen this pattern with many games on many forums Im sure of my opinion, but it IS only my opinion.

There are always outliers and that goes way beyond my knowledge. If they game doesnt work for you both I would suggest contact with FS support directly. I dont think its fair to state, as @styky did, that the game doesnt work as if its the same for everyone.

Some people care about balance because their game DOES work. Mine just works. The worst I tend to get is crappy framerate and usually restarting fixes it. I have had, on a couple of occasions, the game runs like trash. What I dont do is blame FS in the forums for it. I suspect instead its either my computer having a moment or my local hub being overloaded with traffic or bad weather which seems to affect speeds.

I dont know what else to say really. My game works fine most of the time. I have the upmost sincere sympathy for those who have issues.

Hi everybody. It’s been a minute.

Has Strawhat expounded on why it’s taking Fatshark so long to follow through on a simple balance change like Make Dueling Sword Slightly Worse? It’s been six months, i’d love more than “Oh, y’know, we’re thinking about it”

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this one

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Same thing that Fatshark always has. They don’t know how to balance at all.

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Countless years without a significant knife nerf either tho

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Because you’re using it to kill everything before anyone else can get a look in. Crusher packs vanish in literal seconds because of this overtuned crutch nonsense. Just because “the game’s PvE, bro” doesn’t suddenly make balancing not important.

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They havn’t even changed Uncanny’s bonus from 24% to 20% a stack, even though you get diminishing returns after getting past 100% rending. Like, why does it need to be that strong? Even 100% Rending might be too strong, but at least it’d be a step in the right direction.

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combat blade too deserves a nerf

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I miss the feeling of having uncomfortably little reach that I thought FS nailed with the VT2 daggers.

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This is a duo I-II where I was using the worst mark of dueling sword (5) and still I topped damage against a player of equal skill. The difference between us would have been at least 300k on ds4.

We are equally skilled overall, he is significantly more aggressive and I am significantly more defensive, and yet I top score against him.

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