Im cured! 
Precisely. Darktide feels just a step away from having a Battle Pass and pay-2-win microtransactions.
There have been such a huge focus on macrotransactions and skins over the actual game itself, especially the crafting part of it.
wtf are you talking about clown
I don’t know the Hedga saga. I only know the CoD comment incident. And the problem was not him roasting or whatever. It was frustration over lack of weapon customization. And even if there were cases where it wouldn’t have worked, there are some very frustrating cases without customization that make it more painful (Headhunter Autos, Lucius Lasguns, Ellysian lasguns or whatever their pattern name is called) where if they had been given a better base sight it would’ve been far less of a problem. So at the end of the day I was more upset over that not being a thing rather than Hedge, but I’m sure people took their frustration over the issue out on him.
Same with Sister. It was a problem of something that people were very passionate about, seemingly being given a hand wavey response (I believe she didn’t know about the full situation when she made that first comment but I’m not 100% sure). And something that if Fatshark were a bit more intelligent or tactful as a whole could’ve been avoided.
Now I’m sure in general there is a large difference in customer service cultures as a whole. But comparing to, at least here in the states, a Governtmental institution ESPECIALLY the post office is not that different. You pretty much described any time I had to go to the local post office in my town perfectly.
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Fatshark literally said it as something they were doing in the pc gamer article.
Hell it was something they were doing, hell there is literally a mod that restores the remnants (which there was a lot of from sounds to a whole ui to a whole bunch of different attachments) of the weapon modification system fatshark did actually work on.
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I’ll be honest, it’s quite fun to see someone accuse me of having (or being ?) a side account, which is even more funny when it’s someone posting a screenshot of something that I said on the discord (which in a way is somewhat creepy, like I know I use the same name in both site (and on a couple of others) but why do you have that.
That was for the weapon store, not for the modification, which in fairness is not wrong, every weapons that we get are produced (or crafted if you wan’t) well in advance, we’re not forging them ourself, as that would be the perview of the Forge Worlds (which is why most if not all the weapons we have are from “named” planets). So having the Reject “craft” a Power Sword for example would be against some part of the lore, while purchasing a Power Sword doesn’t
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It’s even more funny when the side account stops responding the moment I call him out and the main account starts replying. You’re incredibly sad and delusional if you think it wasn’t obvious lol. Like anyone would care to quote you randomly like that after not posting for a year. Get real, spend less time on these forums, I see you on every channel 24/7 and it’s pathetic.
And no hedge explicitly talked about weapon crafting when he said it goes against the lore. You think attachments don’t fall under that, too?
Setting doesn’t mean 40k as a whole and here it was about Rejects making weapons (Like how the U5 technically do), which instead was replaced by Brunt.
Us being able to “buy” attachments from an Admech Npc or something would be ok as it’s something that is in the various rpg modules, but crafting a weapon wholesale would be strange when those are made on Stc which are usually kept as trade secret by the Forge Worlds and/or their Factory world
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The disparity in responses to the Hedge comments which were all extremely mild, and the HD2 dev comments which were flagrantly inflammatory has been rather astonishing to me.
One is apparently the worst CM in the history of the gaming industry and the other one is “based”. Just weird.
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I was here for the Hedge saga. It was more than just simple frustration, but that definitely was the first stone that got the snowball rolling.
The guy was a mostly chill dude, but with a rather dry writing style that could be taken the wrong way easily. He was a lot more off-the-cuff compared to the others, but he also did post a lot initially.
What I think is noteworthy is his responsibility for keeping the Discord, Steam Forums and Fatshark Darktide Forums clean in the early days.
So whenever someone would lash out he was the one to lock the thread and silence / mute / ban the offender. I know this because I cashed two warnings and a ban from him myself on the Steam forums. Good times.
So this is just a suspicion by me, but I think that contributed greatly to him becoming the “Black Sheep”. Nobody likes the police officer who sticks a ‘wrong parking’ ticket to your windshield, even if you really parked in a no-parking zone.
Anyway, post-launch the game was in quite a worse state, even technical issues such as performance were a problem. Widespread crashing. AI director issues. Servers dying. The works. Understandably a lot of people had a sour mood. They felt betrayed after the pre-release hype left them feeling led on. The air was incredibly tense.
And there he was - Hedge - sifting through the sea of unrefined, coarse “feedback”. He’d occasionally react to it and he wasn’t afraid to snap back. The weapon customization comment was 1 out of 3 “incidents”. Nr. 2 and 3 were “Design Intent” and “Immeasurably Complex”. All three were justification attempts by him to answer the sea of questions people had about the state of the game. Because unlike now Fatshark did actually try to give answers to them, albeit not always truthful either. Generally speaking people were right to be upset. But for Hedge, there were a lot of negative emotions projected onto him for sure.
Anyway, once a lot of people had made their mind up, Hedge couldn’t do anything right anymore. He’d show up, say something (anything really) and would receive emotionally charged comments referencing these three things. CoD, Design Intend, Immeasurably Complex. He would never live that down.
This didn’t change when Catfish came in, either. People would then see her in a good light, while continuing to clown on Hedge. So I assume he eventually just didn’t want to do that job anymore. Catfash said, that he left the studio by his own accord. I kinda feel for the dude. He was at the wrong time in the wrong place and made the mistake of choosing the wrong words thrice.
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“Framing” and “Halo Effect”.
The HD2 devs are in gamer’s good graces at the moment. People are in an emotional high, so they can do no wrong.
Hedge did not have this Halo bonus applied to him while the framing of most discussions was already negative (many still are to this day).
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Unironically this.
The only time I’ve seen people reverse course on negativity in vidya games have been when there’s an appropriate amount of groveling backed by ‘reparations’, for lack of a better term.
Hedge was a snarky dude at a time when snark was going to be taken badly. Same with SisterSepticemia.
Now, both of them had their jobs as knowing, at least theoretically, when not to snark, but still…it was always going to be an uphill struggle for them. Heck, I’ve been bitter about stuff, probably with more splashback on Catfish than she deserves - because the state of the game determines how people react to CMs. And Darktide’s state is still overwhelmingly player-hostile.
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Instead we ask hadron to ‘improve’ them for us
Usually she just hits it with a hammer making our resource costs go entirely to waste
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i saw that article, fatshark wasn’t quoted at all, the person that wrote it made a bunch of assumptions. there was probably no plans for it but that article assumed it was going to be that way because they played CoD and assumed they’d copy that.
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One has conviction and explains the game design angle, the other just says random excuses treating the players like idiots who will be fended off by that.
Example comparison: HD2 dev goes on a tirade about how they want their game ot be hard so they’re nerfing stuff first. He’s being rude when he writes it, but that’s the core of the message. The actual core of the message is informational and a defensible point, made in good faith even though delivery is snarky and rude.
vs
Hedge says they probably won’t do deterministic crafting because it’s, uhh, not lore appropriate. What’s the core of the message here? It’s made up, head from toe. He didn’t actually defend it, he just gave a random questionable excuse. He’s literally saying “you want crafting to be deterministic but we can’t just do that because it goes against the lore”. Is that true? It’s not. It’s a bad faith statement. He knew when he wrote this that it isn’t why there’s no deterministic crafting. As does anyone who understands that the lack of deterministic crafting is a retention mechanic. He’s being dismissive and his point isn’t earnest.
It goes to show that people can take a lot of pretty harsh treatment so long as they’re not being transparently lied to and treated like idiots
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Strongly disagree. Gamers are secretly waiting for a blockbuster content drop to grovel over and praise, they are just - almost always - justified in their disappointment. Truly legendary video games are incredibly rare, like lightning in a bottle. The last few years are a bit of an exception with some of the great titles that have come out. CDPR is a great example of how to absolutely tank every major release you put out to meme proportions and then make them into some of the best games ever made, applauded by all. Diablo 3 and 4 are quite the opposite. Look at Chivalry 2. It’s so close…
I should be a bit more fair: my strategy when dealing with difficult customers is to give them confidence that you can solve their problems by speaking to their concerns and actually solving their problems. If they are difficult, it means they care and want you to help them, and when you solve their problems, they will defend you to the death. Listening to customer feedback is critical to your survival, and so is a quick, not overly-hasty, response.
Being earnest is important in all things.
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The Witcher 3, to date, is still my favourite single-player video game of all time. CDPR has my utmost respect.
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Funfact: Hedge was under another alias a notorious community manager for the Diablo 3 launch. A lot of what made him notorious was how he belittled people who complained about the real money AH. Seeing a pattern here?
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whats the prove here
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no plans at all
What part of THERE IS WEAPON MODIFICATION SYSTEMS, SOUNDS, UI AND ASSETS IN THE GAME FILES
Did you not understand
Putting development time into something doesn’t mean you didn’t have plans for it. The weapon modification mod didn’t make the whole system from scratch it restores and makes available what’s LITERALLY BEEN IN THE GAME FILES FROM launch available to the players
tldr fatshark were working on weapon modification as in attachments and swapping parts before release and scrapped it.
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