Dueling Sword should be nerfed and here is why – long discussion post

[Ralendil]

@alsozara

I voted no because that’s closer to what I want than yes. I specifically think the knife heavy attack move tech should not work when out of stamina as proposed by @Nish .

I totally agree with this… but even, they should also lower the move bonus. It is too strong.

@alsozara

Other than that I would prefer the mobility to be maintained and have them nerfed in other ways. Knife and DS should probably be significantly worse than they are at horde clear if they want to keep both high mobility and single target damage.

If they nerf the move of daggers and DS, then all weapons have to get the same nerf.

Let’s quote myself…

@Ralendil

Something I have just done to see the global move speed of all weapons:

Considering this, if we reduce the move of combat blades, a lot of weapons have to be nerfed. And I even wonder if the 0.45 area (most weapons) should not even be nerfed also if we follow the global wishes of people fed up about dagger zealots.
Are you ready to play as turtles??

BUT: they could lower 0.8 to 0.6, 0.94 to 0.7 and 0.98 to 0.8 while putting 0.45 to 0.4. This would be correct.
So something like that:

This would mean a nerf impacting 68% of the weapons pool.
This would also, in fact, make the 32% remaining weapons feel better, so an hidden buff…

@alsozara

Uncanny needs a hard nerf across the board to my mind. It’s just silly giving that much rending though a number of people here have said they don’t run Uncanny on it so its base carapace mod might just be too high to begin with?

I agree that rending is too strong and that several blessing AND talents should be nerfed. However, I have never picked uncanny on a DS.
If there is a problem with DS, it is its ability to deal with “hordes” and also single targets.
But, considering the damage level of this weapon, for me there is no actual problem. There will be the day where a DS could be used by a lot of players and forbid other teammates to play or that the use of this weapon becomes toxic.
As an example, the PS, even with its drawbacks, can do better DPS than the DS. It can cut in two parts crushers, kill a wave of ragers etc.