Differing perspectives on balance stem directly from differences in gaming philosophy

[Archon_Dagoth]

There always was and always will be a boogeyman, it’s just this discussion all over again:

@Archon_Dagoth

I personally like the combat axe. If FS removed DS and all the top-tier melee weapons today, people here would probably call for nerfs on the combat axe since it can stagger ragers on specials and consistently kill crushers with a few heavy attacks all while having better horde clear than the current DS4.

@Downer

People will just use next best weapons and talents, like combat axes, powers swords, force swords, relic blade, bolter, voidblast staff, and right here on this forum we will get another wave of whining about nerfing every new meta.

Ogryn goes back to oblivion, it was a rare, compared to other classes, to see him in games before rework, people outright refused to take ogryn players into havoc(Havoc and Ogryns! :: Warhammer 40,000: Darktide The Mourningstar - General Discussions).

And games will be longer, now that everyone do way less damage,back off more, because less protected.

@Rvl

Wasn’t that already the case with past complaints about knife players?

As soon as DS solidified its place in the meta, the same people who constantly complained about knive’s “free” mobility switched to complaining about DS, yet nowadays you rarely see anyone mentioning that knife should be nerfed.

Top players will always complain about meta, and I agree with Downer. I also find it ironic, because the same people tend to complain about the majority of the playerbase being bad. They look down on bad players, but they also don’t want the same players using “safe” builds where they can more or less contribute to the team effort at the highest difficulty.

@Archon_Dagoth

The average Damnation player already struggles with the game, even with infinite AoE and DS4. If those tools are removed or nerfed, casual players will feel like all the weapons are underwhelming. Meanwhile, experienced players who rely on these tools will find it harder to carry less skilled teammates or finish endgame content. In the end, the only advice experienced players will be able to give is ‘git gud,’ which is never healthy for the game’s long-term community.