Hopefully we get a new mission in Throneside and a subclass every quarter. Maybe two new unique weapons too.
Just because you are still young and lack perspective doesnât mean Iâm wrong. You are wrong instead, measuring everything in your tiny increments of minutes and seconds.
You will one day see the light, as all people who get older and wiser do. Until then, donât ever think 15 years is a long time. Itâs not even a quarter or a fifth of a century, thatâs how short that is.
Start-Ups shouldnât even be counted as proper companies. Most often they are exit-strategy scams, where some bum embazzles half the companyâs worth and the other half is wasted on frivolous things such as a bar or that snazzy pool billard room in your office space.
This is like saying that 15 years is a long time to be alive and kicking. After all many babies donât even make it out of the stomaches of their mothers because they get aborted nowadays. What a comparison to make. Absolute non-argument. But a good attempt, I will give you that.
Heya, I have no clue why you responded the way you did. If you were hoping for a genuine response from me, then stop the passive aggressiveness or Iâll just ignore you.
For somebody so thick you are also remarkably patronising.
Itâs funnier that way and it felt absolutely appropriate.
Thank you for your patronage.
Sure, I like jokes, lifeâs a little dull without a few funny here and there. Since you too seem the type to enjoy them. I got one for you: what have you contributed to these forums thus far? Youâve been playing damage control for a company that doesnât care about its players. A company that is more interested in screwing its fans over than providing you with an adequate gaming experience. Iâve seen your âbanterâ at play in multiple topics already, and to be frank my dear, itâs quite embarrassing. Your level of argumentation is reminiscent of an average 4chan user - devoid of charm and originality. You belittle people down and insult their legitimate grievances.
Which would be fine, if your banter is entertaining to read. Sadly it isnât. Youâre a bore. Unoriginal. And a nuisance. Creep back to whatever image board youâve crawled from. Youâve been a sore on my eye for too long.
I appreciate the civil post, despite all the assumptions you make.
I wouldnât claim that you not playing Vermintide 2 invalidates what youâre posting, but what you were replying to was a discussion about the companyâs track record and Vermintide 2 is the only major release since 2018 (except for Darktide).
Quote: No offens, maybe
If you are really interested in my thoughts you can easily check some of my posting history. If you still make those assumptions afterwards then Iâd be surprised (well, depending on how selective you are).
Quote: My point is that I'm right
Hereâs the thing.:
You claim that you have a bunch of experience with internet forums
- should I take it on face value?
- if I do, what difference does it make?
You claim that youâre making a point that youâre not ignorant about the subject (company track record).
- Your not making that point in your post. At least I canât see it. Your are mostly making generalisations and assumptions about me.
- You do state, again, that your track record isnât based at all on the company in question (remember the topic? the companyâs track record)
A wise man(?) once said that itâs important to understand both sides of the story.
Do challenge yourself and try to do that!
Quote: Fatshark explained themselves in PC Gamer
I added bold to the quote below.
Quote: Another assumption
Iâm not sure who âyou guysâ are, but I too am pretty confident that they will roll out the crafting in December. That doesnât give the company a good track record though. Less assumptions about me and others would be appreciated, but each to their own.
Quote: What I meant to say
This is good. With these sentences I understand your point of view perfectly.
I donât agree with your point of view but I can respect it, and you are entitled to it. My original comment was based on what you said about the companyâs track record, and I still donât see why youâd engage in that discussion without knowledge about said track record, and that is what led me to believe that you didnât have the best intention when replying in this thread.
On a side-note, it feels like this topic is mostly insults being hurled around at this point. Good stuff. I summon thee, o flame of wrath, to have a look at the topic! @Aqshy
Likewise.
Its Nice that there is someone actually Providing Reasoning and Arguments to the Discussion rather than just going Hurr Durr. You Wrong I am RightâŚ
As for my Assumptions.
Well. You are making alot of Assumptions on me too aint Ya.
Its not really strange either.
Neither of us has written a 50 Page Thesis Predefining our Whole View in Detail.
So we have to Fill in the Blanks somehow based on what the other Person said.
Even if that means we might get Corrected about that later on.
Now then for the actual Topic.
No.
Actually the Topic is me Asking for a Roadmap and People Claiming that Roadmap would be Meaningless as Fatshark cannot be Trusted to actually Deliver whatever is Puts into that Roadmap.
Pls keep in Mind. Just because other People Shifted the Question doesnt mean I will go along with that Shift.
My Topic has not Changed away from the Roadmap and its Value.
Fatsharks Track Record with Vermintide 2 is only one Argument in that Topic.
Thing is Mate. I dont have Unlimited Time.
I cannot Read up the Post History of the last Years for every Single Person that Argues with me.
So I have to make my Judgement based on what People actually Post while I am here.
So dont take this Personal pls.
But I am gonna make my Opinion Based on how You Interact with me.
Not on how you Interacted with others in the Past.
Hence why I said âYou Seem toâ and not âYou Definitively areâ in my Judgement.
The Mistake You guys make.
Is that You Expect me to take your Account of that Track Record with no Questions and no other Information.
But You are just one Person in the Internet.
When I check for Steam Reviews for Example. Vermintide 2 has 83% Positive Reviews.
Recent Reviews are even 88% Positive.
I also got Confronted by alot of People on the Steam Forums mostly Complaining that Darktide isnt as Good as Vermintide 2 and that Fatshark delivered far better and faster on Vermintide 2 etc.
So to me it seems Fatsharks Track Record with Vermintide 2 is rather Good.
To Clarify this Again.
My Point in Saying that I have not made Negative Experience with Fatshark and that Your Subjective Testimony is not something I will just Accept as Truth without Question.
Is not due to me being Ignorant of what happened before this.
But that from the Information I have Available to me. Your Testimony on that Track Record has little Value and Contradicts what most Information Suggests.
I am absolutely doing that Mate.
I am listening to Your Side of the Story after all.
But as I said above several tims already.
Your Side of the Story doesnt seem to be the one that Fits Best with the Information I have.
Uhm. Not sure how to Tell You.
But Fatshark did in an Official Announcement during the Pre Order Beta State that the Release of the Crafting System is Delayed and will happen over the Course of December.
So this was Communicated (and by the way Blown all over the Forums by People) before Release.
You seemed rather in Line with the other 2.
If thats not the case then as Statet above. That just means my Assumption on You was Incorrect.
Dont take it badly if possible. I mean no Harm by it.
Just like You mean no Harm when You assumed that I never bothered Checking anything about Fatshark or Vermintide 2 after your Comments despite me actually doing that.
I Agree that Unfortunately this Topic has Derailed Quite Badly.
To begin with this was more a Message to the Devs. Not the Community.
So hopefully they saw it.
There is little need to Continue this Topic beyond that.
As for us Agreeing. Thats not really Necessary.
People Rarely Agree fully on things. And Respecting others to have a Different Opinion is something many People should try to do more often.
Albeit as I said.
You Assuming I have no Knowledge about Fatsharks Track Record just because I havnt Played Vermintide 2 and dont Accept your Testimony about it without Question.
Is somewhat Funny after you Complained to me about making Assumptions about You.
I wouldnât agree, but please do exemplify if you want to.
(1)
Please note that my comment made (quoting you), which you the replied to, was specifically on the topic of track record.
In my post I made some comments about the companyâs track record, but I donât think I see any of those points in your reply, other than a clarification I made in my last reply (communication through third party/PC gamer).
(2)
You donât have to do that, of course, but youâre making assumptions aimed directly at me. The way I wouldâve have approached it is to 1) either check if there is any foundation for those claims, or 2) to avoid making those assumptions. If the assumptions are baseless they are not really adding anything to your post or to the discussion as a whole.
I donât see any hints of my previous post in your reply, but please elaborate if it indeed was a response to my previous post. Using vague language when making assumptions doesnât give any credit to said assumptions.
(3)
Again, not sure who these âyou guysâ are. I feel like this would be a good time to point out that the critique against Fatshark, based on their track record, in a topic you created is not aimed at you. I can almost guarantee that those posts arenât made to antagonize you but to raise these concerns with the company. Speaking for myself. I donât see it as my job to convince you of anything or to provide any kind of feedback to Fatshark, but I choose to do the latter.
(4)
Perfectly fine. But again:
Making claims about e.g. Fatsharkâs track record, when having very limited information on the topic, is not a good basis for discussion. Why comment on it at all if you are basically replying to 1) a random person on the internet (claiming to have experienced Fatsharkâs development cycle before) 2) based on information from other random people on the internet, 3) while clamining that the person you reply to doesnât have a valid say in the matter because that person is a random person on the internet, 4) while also making claims about yourself in an attempt to legitimize your opinions (being a random person on the internet). I have a hard time understanding the logic behind it.
(5)
Youâre right. My mistake. Itâs a mixture of how they have been addressing the âpredatory monetizationâ through third party, and how they have made other similar releases through odd channels (no examples from the top of my head).
(6)
My assumption about you wanting to antagonize is based on the post below, which is littered with assumptions, inflammatory language and demeaning rhetoric. Again, I donât see the point. Again, take your own advice, if you are able, and realize that the replies regarding Fatsharkâs track record isnât aimed at you.
I stated that you havneât experienced the development cycle (based on your comment) but I never said that you havenât been able to form an opinion on it. This ties in well with point 4.
Summary
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Weâre on the same page here, 100%.
For example You assume I shift Topics.
I dont. For me this is about the Roadmap.
I discuss other stuff only in relation.
You also assume I talk just to you. But I dont ike repeating myself. So if I see overlaps I answer more general so its usable for others.
You also assume I am hostile. But I am reallly not.
If I am Hostile I make that pretty clear. Like with that Jon guy for example.
But I am not a Native English speaker. I never even had lessons in it.
So I literally write lilke i talk. If that makes sense.
Again. My Topic is the Roadmap.
I will take hings based on that.
2.
And yet you assume me to talk about something else it seems.
Specify the post you want answered an i will do so
3.
Problem is.
Based on that critic t is claimed my request s useless.
And well. Info I have is different from what you say.
4.
Edit.
Smartphone broke up.
Ok lets see.
My Info.
My Personal experience so far is Positive.
Steam Charts show is very Popular.
Reviews are Mixed but still more Positive.
Some People complain about cosmetic shop.
Some People complain its worse than VT2
Some People say Fatshart cant be trusted because of VT2.
VT2 has very positive reviews.
VT2 has ALOT of Content that was added after release.
Thats the Info I got.
You are just 1 of these and got nothing to show on it either.
Iâll leave it here.
Speaking for myself, and generally. I feel like itâs often very valuable to revisit things Iâve written and re-reading them in order to try and get an understansing of how, someone who is not me, understand what Iâm trying to convey. Itâs a great for me to become better at making myself understood and avoiding miscommunication and unnecessarily hurt feelings.
I.ll also pause it there.
Writing a big text on smartphone is not very practicl xD
You still wanna get the rest of the answer later or you prefer we just agree to disagree ?
I donât think I have any more answers on the topic. I feel like we would keep going around in circles, so Iâll just leave it be.
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