Certain Psyker Talents Need Changes To Provide More Build Variety

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No, no it does not, stop spreading BS

Even with 6 Warp Stacks, Cerebral Lacerations, and Wrack and Ruins, it still takes exactly the same amount of Brain Bursts to kill absolutely every single Elite and Special on Damnation as if you had just 4 Warp Stacks and no other boost

You are “uninformed”

And just so we understand where we stand, Ascendant Blaze is still pure garbage, and Purgatus Psykers are absolutely wortheless except for one single map final objective, for Chasm Terminus scans

Every time i’m paired with a second Psyker who happens to run Purgatus i know i’m gonna have to carry that ass to the finish line while being blinded most of the game for practically no upside

Clearing hordes (and not so well at that) should not be a central part of your build, anyone with two working brain cells can achieve that

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Yeo. Agree on that.

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Nearly everything you said is demonstrably false. Flagged for spam.

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It´s not. 4 stacks are enough do deal with hordes. It´ll either melt them down or let you oneshot pretty much everything left. Those 4 charges are back within some seconds. And while sitting on 6 charges thx to warpbattery, you´ll melt down any wave since it´ll reach the breakpoints of poxwalkers.

Purgatus lets you melt down everything else aswell incl. stagger. It´s actually like a permanent ascendent blaze just not with its range. But if you run it, then you´re free to use armor-piercing melee weapons and kinetic barrage to get ride of elites / specials. And if you run ascendant blaze you can put your staves back in the armory and you can play pretty much whatever you want as long as either the range or the melee weapons can penetrate armor.

That´s just not true. Yes crushers will take a lot of time if you focus only on waveclear in your build, but waves can and will be deadly aswell. It´s one random hit that breaks your toughness, or they block your movement while elites / a boss is there etc…
Waveclear means freedom to move, to kite, and even to gain toughness back pretty easily. It´s important to have, otherwise you might be able to kill armored ones easily, but a wave will cost you dozens of time which last in more spawns in general.

Just look at the bossmaps. The bosses are a joke… what makes poeple failing are the waves coming on top, which might block you, break your toughness, stagger you shortly and even make you losing attention about the boss and to stay with your mates.

So yeah… sorry to say that, but you´re somewhat uninformed and clearly haven´t tested out much stuff on your own.

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Not sure why you would include Wrack and Ruin, but you do you.
With 6 WC you can kill Mutants with 3 BB on Damnation.
With 4 WC, you need 4 BB.

Not an important breakpoint, but your statement is incorrect.

You also get that breakpoint with 4 WC and Lacerations, but you specifically said “just 4 Warp Stacks and no other boost”.

Maybe you and your big brain should have spent a minute longer to actually test on all elites and specials, before making an incorrect statement about “absolutely every single elite and special”.

The BB breakpoint aside, you also initially said that Warp Battery is pointless (again showing that you have no clue what you are talking about), although 6 WC means

  • enabled breakpoints for Ascendant Blaze
  • higher peril resistance from Inner Tranquility
  • higher damage bonus for all of your damage sources

Now i could argue with the rest of what you said, but after you have shown such great insight before, where you either overlooked something, or simply lied about things, it does not appear like you are a reasonable person at all. Therefore i will not argue with you.

I will not waste my time trying to reason with a person like you, who

  • spreads misinformation
  • claims to have tested something, but clearly has not
  • reacts to being called out, by throwing around insults
  • has repeatedly been shown to be uninformed or misinformed (yet incredibly certain about the own personal qualification to talk about things)

Just one last thing before you become a person whose posts get ignored:

Dude. I am absolutely sure, that you carry every one of them filthy staff users for sure.
You show em, pal.

PS:

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Oh yea, yea i do

I’m running a build that absolutely and unequivocally blows any of your staff builds and meme blaze, and i have the data to support that assertion

Yes i use autopistol and it’s always a delight to come across some random smartass who thinks i must suck because i don’t just spam meme flames or meme lightning

The only really “good” staff for Damnation is Voidstrike, another point that’d get me burned alive in most Psyker threads

Thing is, i don’t care what you run as long as you’re having fun, just don’t come and pretend it’s some kind of top tier meta when in reality the vast majority of the Psyker playerbase has yet to figure that out, and especially not while looking down on me because i carry an Autopistol when i’m going to outperform you in every single department except maybe a couple dozen trash mobs more or less

By the time you all catch up it’ll probably get nerfed anyway

I’m glad you found that one pointless breakpoint to comfort yourself in your delusion though, by the time you cast your second Mutant Brain Burst i’ll have killed two

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Mate i agree autopistol is a great thing. I´ve played it since day 1 on my Psyker and it never failed its purpose, meanwhile staves clearly lack behind somehow.
It also became irregular strong with the blessings-patch, which clearly needs some nerf.

But i highly doubt it´s needed to get insulting because someone else claimed that you´re uninformed. You´ve some points, but flawless clearly proved to have some aswell.

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In light of you claiming that this is what you are trying to do, the number of factually incorrect things that you say, is quite a bit too high.
You also did not make a sound argument for most (if not all) things that you claimed here. Which is understandable, because these claims are bogus.

Like you had the data to support your previous assertions, which were the polar opposite of true?

Hey. That’s you.

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I agree on this. Psyker has always been a tought class having answers for everything.

But i disagree on this. I see 2, maybe 3 feats failing its purpose so. The rest have different synergies with each other and offer more buildvariety while being focused on BB and the ultimate, not to assist high crit weapons or something.

But i agree that all classes have weak or too situational feats.

I get your point so. I got hated pretty much from the beginning when i interacted with Psyker-threads and being like “Hey guys, Psyker is fine…” or “Here is my build, i run Autopistol and AB”, which poeple claimed to be useless, wrong etc… , and they haven´t even tried it so.
And yes, there have been a lot of discussions about it. But yet again, Flawless just “fixed” your wrong claim. Dunno if it´s worth to tilt on them.

Just chill aswell, like common…

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I mean, i rest my case, feel free to live in your 6 stacks fantasy honestly it’s not my problem, i have the data, gameplay and gametime on my side, you have acting like a smartass on forums and one less brain burst on mutants

Also you should be ignoring me since your very first reply by your own account so feel free to do that, in fact i’d encourage you to ignore anything Psyker balance related in the future

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First you said that the feat is completely worthless. (which is not true, as i and others pointed out)

Then you said it does not grant any BB breakpoint against any specials or elites on damnation. (which is not true, as i pointed out)

Then you said that the breakpoint does not matter (which does not make your previous statements correct, and which i already said myself, when pointing out that this breakpoint exists)
and went on to insult me, calling me delusional, when i was in fact right every time and you were wrong every time.

Then you “rest your case” and claim to have data, gameplay and gametime on your side, after your entire “argumentation” consisted of lies, more lies, moving the goalpost a few times, calling me delusional and then claiming that you were still somehow right…
Great job bud.

Me being right (because i make educated statements instead of lying) and calling out your lies, does not mean that you should call me a smartass.
Regarding the breakpoint… i do not care about that one. As i said right in the same section within the same post where i mentioned the existence of the breakpoint. I do not value it. I just mentioned it’s existence because you lied about it, claiming that it does not exist.

True, but i like to call out lies and to correct wrong statements because i dislike to see those being spread.
Also, it is just too funny, how you are grasping on straws, trying to be right while clinging to your false claims instead of just saying “Oh well. Guess i was wrong. I should factcheck myself before i post next time. Sorry for that.”.

Aside from that, you actually say reasonable things sometimes in other threads, so i changed my mind about ignoring you.

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I’ve been running dagger + autopistol a bunch recently and yeah, autopistol Psyker is being hard slept on at the moment. 2.9-3.1x base damage, 2.5x base cleave and stagger, plus you have BB for snipers, crushers, Bulwarks, and distant enemies generally.

Curious what feat selection you’ve been using? I’ve been running essence harvest, inner tranquillity, psychic communion, kinetic deflector, kinetic flayer, and kinetic barrage currently. I find it very comfortable for warp charge generation and in turn healing from essence harvest, but I haven’t experimented extensively with feat combos yet. Two toughness curios and a stam curio to make revives basically ensured no matter the melee pressure.

I don’t agree with all your other points but it’s at least refreshing to see someone else not crying about how “terrible” Psyker is and I generally agree Psyker is basically a few tweaks away from being in a pretty perfect place.

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I’m running this

aso1
aso11920×1080 216 KB

aso2
aso21607×793 134 KB

It’s by far and large the best you can do as Psyker right now in my opinion (optimal items rolls notwithstanding)
My rule for building is, you want something for crowd control, and you want something for heavy single target burst

You should not build telling yourself “i do horde control”
Anyone with a working mouse left clic can do horde control
Hordes are a nonissue

Autopistol actually covers both under a certain range, but well, it doesn’t have infinite ammo
Voidstrike and Trauma are almost there, but they fall short on burst damage and range respectively plus Trauma needs ground
Surge has CC but laughable range, damage and trash clear so you’re left useless in many scenarios
Purgatus has good trash clear but terrible burst damage and CC, and it blinds your entire team which is a huge problem on its own

BB for out of reach and heavy armored targets, Autopistol for close range (~20m) targets, Catachan sword for swinging at trash with AoE stagger when there’s no point in using your resources
Psychinetic’s Aura will refresh KB very, very fast on Damnation (especially High Intensity) where you rarely run out of elites to pop (unless Veteran factor which is a whole other issue)
And the added benefit of also helping your teammates’ cooldowns

Kinetic Deflector’s entire point was the clutch revives, it has been gutted entirely under the guise of bug fixing, it’s practically pointless to me now

Sure there are other viable ways of playing and by all means you wanna bring a staff, you do you, but lengthy pissing contests over uneducated assumptions has ruined Psyker for many players

Like, for months now people have been parroting Surge staff is the only viable Psyker card in Damnation, which is completely insane

And then people look at their Veteran just clicking stuff to death both in melee and at range, while they haven’t even finished charging their first BB, and they assume that means their class is weak

Crusher ? blam blam blam
Mutant ? blam blam blam
Anything that’s red or yellow ? blam blam blam
Bulwark ? Pay attention it has a shield so much harder : blam blam, blam blam blam

But that’s not a Psyker issue, that’s a Veteran issue, that class and its weapons should take a giant kick in the nuts, before it drives away people’s will to play altogether

Because, do you know what makes people create happy chemicals in this game ?
Going out of a situation and telling themselves “i did this and that, i’m part of the reason why we pulled it off”
Not looking at your Vet(s) and basically be a camp follower or a glorified cheerleader that gets in the way of their next ammo box

So it’s a mix of multiple factors, prejudice and overwhelmingly overpowered stuff you don’t have access to yourself

But if we’re being rational, if they ever buffed Psyker and Ogryn, and Zealot to a degree (that class also has some serious broken stuff and can also use Bolter), to the level of braindead the Veteran is right now, the entire game will be void of any form of challenge

TLDR; nerf the Veteran/Sharpshooter along with Power Sword and Bolter hard, really hard before you buff anything else

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Also 6 Warp Charges gurantee you kill all scab and dreg infantry types with Ascendant blaze: all types of Bruisers, Shooters and Stalkers. You won’t with 4. Rather useful if you run into a group or patrol which already started spreading out.

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Correct.
I mentioned that as well, when i initially replied to the guy.
Ascendant blaze is really underappreciated.
Especially because of how easily it can remove horde pressure when ogryns are mixed in, so that everyone can entirely focus on dealing with them and other elites.

But then the guy moved the goalpost and went from „the feat is entirely useless“ to „it does not grant any brain burst breakpoints on damnation difficulty“, which is of course also not true, followed up by „but that breakpoint is useless“.

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All I see there is unnecessary frothing at the mouth, not on your part. Warp Battery isn’t just about damage breakpoints or potential damage breakpoints. Iit should increase your damage overall, no idea if you hit any with specific melee or ranged weapons, perk and blessing combos.

Warp Battery adds to warp resistance through Inner Tranquillity synergy. Rather noticeable difference in terms of max brain bursts and staff peril generation before you hit critical. I would say both talents are optimal for staff centric builds.

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True.
Also, unless an enemy dies within 1-2BB, breakpoints are usually pretty much irrelevant anyway.

We do not usually solo fight in a vacuum and by the time we cast two BB on the same enemy, it is quite likely that teammates also get one or two slaps in.
Because of that, having dealt extra damage to the enemy (due to 2 extra WC) is still valuable because the teammates can now potentially kill the enemy with fewer hits required.

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Wow, you must be so good at the game. Imagine how much better you could be if Psyker had better build diversity. I bet you use Kinetic Overload and Wrack and Ruin so much already though, and with non-force weapons no less.

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That’s not the point.

At the moment psyker is in a very good spot, the changes proposed are just straight-up buffs that are not needed. Furthermore, the feats highlighted by the OP are viable and usable in the highest difficulty the game currently offers.

While I agree that current build diversity could be more incentivized, I am sure that it will be so when the next class is introduced. At the moment making big changes to feats would make it so the current class will not be specialized in anything, or make the next classes coming not needed if this one were to cater to all playstyles.

If they are going for anything close to VT2 class system, each class will be “specialized” in one playstyle over another. This class here doesn’t seem to be about non-force weapons and should stay as it is. I understand it’s annoying for people that don’t want to use staves and I am in no way telling you that you should not complain, but I would suggest you ask them to release more classes instead of changing feats in a class that is destined to be one of many.

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Ah, sorry for taking the p!ss, I’d really appreciate if FS could address the problems in a comm-link. I’d like to be able to have more confidence that they’ll do that.