To me it appeared as if you were pretending not to understand the underlying point being made to focus unreasonably on tone. You can say you’re not doing that but as far as I can see that falls within the definition correctly:
Ok then your experience is different, maybe it’s regional but I absolutely have observed the trend Cheddar was pointing out. I guess I’m sorry that your last 30 years have been spent interacting with communities that are that hostile to self improvement.
zzz
Yea, no, man. You’re old. You’ve been playing online games for years. You haven’t seen strangers get into it over stuff like this before…uh “recently?” Not in WoW? Not in Tribes? Not in Team Fortress? Action Quake? At the arcade?
People are DIFFERENT now?
I am being 100% sincere. And I always understood the “damaged” claim. I just think it’s nonsense.
I don’t think, on the whole or on average, people have changed in the last X many years and are now “hostile to nice unsolicited advice.”
I’ve had plenty of excellent experiences with other players in my life. There are times and places where advice is shared and received happily. But I’ve also seen it land wrong between strangers a million times.
Who said NOW? Was it too slow and subtle for you to notice?
Did you need more explicit context? I know it’s been a problem with you in the past, so I added some more chars for you.
LMAO Tribes and Arcades, perfect example of people sharing knowledge, tips and tricks and not being butthurt about friendly or even neutral good advice. What was your point here? That your observations there are also wrong?
As another old-ish gamer, backseating has always gotten a STFU response for as long as I’ve been gaming. I don’t think it’s accurate to say rejecting unsolicited advice is reflective of the trend where gamers spurn self-improvement and feel entitled.
Exactly. I guess we can’t disprove this very well-researched theory about the past 30 years of “slow gamer rudeness creep,” which is awfully convenient. But I can sure as hell say it wasn’t ever safe for some rando to swing on by the basketball court or the arcade and hand out helpful advice to strangers on their form and technique.
yes. this is why advice is now more like “your damage output sucks” followed by a block, then anything else. if they chose to stay a dead-weight then everyone will just block them…
unless they cap your block list, then you just play a different game
IDK what arcades you hung out in in your dimension, but here when you got your arse handed to you on SF, MK or VF you’d often get tips and advice or ask for some and get some.
Don’t think the subtle deflection to “Swing by” rather than being a player went unnoticed, nice try, and the switch to the IRL bball court and arcade comparison, chef’s kiss. Now I know (well not really 'cause you) you’re being “disingenuous”, did I use that right?
How does your old-timer pocket dictionary define “obtuse”, or rather “deliberately obtuse”?
This makes especially little sense, and I didn’t intend anything by using the words “swing by.”
Unsolicited advice from strangers is like…famously never appreciated.
Smile more, you’d be prettier!
Sounds to me it’s more like how Fatshark pretty much shot themselves in the leg repeatedly on the in-game community front, from unreliable social tools to the asinine decision to make staying together as a party opt-in. Literally breaking the paths of least resistance for getting people to stick together, then forcing it through how they implemented the party finder, especially for havoc.
Advice is generally more appreciated if it’s a group that you’ve recognisably played with before or you are vaguely familiar with, like getting to know the regulars on community run dedicated servers and such. The reliance on matchmaking and external systems (discord, websites, etc.) has broken in-game community building for games for years now.
or perhaps “contrived irrelevance”…
LOL JFC, the illogical comparisons are just sublime, let it not be said you’re not a clever girl.
Still waiting on the old-timer dictionary, digitized it yet?
So, can you make some kind of point here, or are you just going to do your edgy caustic shadowboxing?
I don’t believe people (including gamers, including Darktide gamers) have changed. I think if you make a wrong assumption about what someone is trying to do and offer them unsolicited advice that you’re rolling the dice and it’s always been more likely to come up on the more negative side for you. And I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that this rings pretty true. IRL or in video games.
Now what do you believe? That people have slowly metamorphosed over the past 30 years into…?
Alright alright alright I’m sorry for encouraging this argument. I personally never give advice in game unless asked for so this sure isn’t a hill I’m dying on.
I have mostly neutral (neither good nor bad) interactions in Darktide which is itself a noticeable step down from my experiences in VT2, where I ran into many more people using voice chat and had a great number of games which ended in a strong sense of comradery.
Of course I mostly blame the horrible hub and DT not encouraging you to stay in a squad between missions in the same way. And of course the increased dumbing down of gameplay. Best way to get a cooperative environment is to make it a requirement to succeed. Darktide has long since abandoned any priority on team play. We are 4 individual super soldiers that happen to share a transport in and out.
It’s far from the worst culture/community you could have but it’s still a noticeable step down even from Darktide’s earliest days in my experience.
Since we are at an impassable wall of having fundamentally different experiences here there probably really is no point arguing further.
Nooo no no no no! You started this, and you’re gonna finish it!
Just kidding.
But did you used to give out advice unprompted in game, back in “Darktide’s earliest days?”
Even further, unprompted and unsolicited advice is unappreciated when there is no preexisting relationship between the advisor and advisee. It’s like a basic human psychological response to reject or be dismissive of it, even if it’s a bitter pill. And playing a game at the end of the day just isn’t that serious of a thing no matter how serious you take it.
I believe you don’t believe it, but it has changed, you just can’t see it or refuse to see/admit it, and you can’t/won’t now. It’s like saying the political landscape hasn’t shifted over the last decade, world-wide.
Imma be real with you chief, and I’m not saying this to be mean, but you seem to have real difficulty grasping and noticing some very obvious things, and I imagine it’s an IRL issue for you too. I’m sympathetic, I truly am, and I’ve had friends like that, but at some point there has to be a little internal double-checking and self-reflection, a measure twice cut once approach.
I’ve learned also to not be clouded by empathy and sympathy for those with certain…traits.
The other option is OFC you’re being dishonest…pick one of the terms previously listed, I’m still not sure which if I’m being honest.
Not necessarily people as in individuals, but rather the whole, let’s be clear on the wording because you know, but again, yes.
P.S. Not ignoring you, zzz.
P.P.S. Edit:
This is what he does, it’s his M.O., in this case he did it to you and was indeed being disingenuous and snide and made a silly assertion with a side of salt, when pushed back on, the pearl-clutching commences.
lol I love these replies from you. They’re rich and yet always devoid of content.
People are people. What’s going in politics has happened before in a different time, a different place, a different shade. You couldn’t offer a friend of a friend some bullhockey unsolicited advice 40 years ago without a brush off, and it’s the same today.
It’s super hard to hear, but yeah that’s pretty disgusting from what I’m listening to. Do you have the full stream by chance? I want to just listen to the full context out of curiosity sake. Even as a joke, it’s in poor taste. There’s no denying that. I cannot find it on Youtube, so I assume they both deleted it.
