Stagger Counts understanding question

Warhammer: Vermintide 2 General Discussion
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Hey! I hope you guys are doing well and are having a good day/night! I have something as a question which is a bit complicated to answer i assume, i tried to research online for the staggering counts and so on, detailed information about them as i wanted to completely understand stagger dmg bonus in general but there is one scenario which i couldnt find good answer on.

So i understand how Assassin, Bulwark, Enhanced Power, Smiter, Mainstay works also as No Talent at all. Some of them mentions that another count of stagger is added after hitting a staggered enemy. Basically i want to know if stagger count is added also for No Talent, Enhanced Power as other talents says so. I Tested on training dummy which im not sure if on push strenght it gets staggered maximum to stagger level 1 or level 2 like the enemies, i noticed dmg boosts each hit, no stagger count is specific dmg then it increases each hit as the third is the max dmg dealt but im not sure if this is because its staggered twice at same strenght or because phisically its staggered to level 2. Because even talents like No Talent at all / Enhanced Power does the same without mentioning they add stagger count after hitting a staggered enemy so i assume either all talents add stagger count after hitting a staggered enemy or dummy gets staggered phisically to level 2 which enables to enhanced power and no talent to be able to do more dmg aswell after the second stagger.

If we bring this to real game scenario, lets say we have daggers heavy attack 1, the stab basically using Mainstay, we have a tank who staggers chaos warrior to level 1 phisically, daggers on stab cannot stagger the chaos warrior again for it to enter in stagger level 2 so, if this stab cannot stagger the enemy does it still add stagger count, like a fake count boosting the dmg to the enemy even if the weapon itself cannot apply stagger phisically, just because tank staggered it.

To explain it more simple in steps
1 - Tank staggers CW to Level 1 phisically so basically CW is slightly interrupted.
2 - Mainstay talent + dual daggers do stab on the Staggered to Level 1 CW.
3 - Does this apply stagger count 2 even if it cannot stagger the CW additionally as it doesnt breakpoint the enemy stagger resistance.
4 - Same question is if we use Enahnced Power or no talent at all ( as other talents mentions they add stagger count if staggered enemy is hit )

I hope i explained myself correctly, in the steps and above, i did the steps explaining as i think its easier to understand.

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I can’t speak on if stagger is applied before or after damage calculation, but I can say the level 15 talent descriptions are misleading. Lightly and heavily staggered enemies will always take 20/40% extra damage respectively no matter what. All level 15 talents aside from Enhanced Power do not affect ranged attacks.

  • Bulwark applies a 10% extra damage taken debuff.
  • Smiter does exactly what it says - if an enemy isn’t staggered, they will take 20% extra damage. This might be evidence that the extra stagger count is applied after damage is dealt, or maybe Smiter is best used on large, unstaggerable enemies.
  • Mainstay makes you deal 15% more damage vs. staggered enemies.
  • Assassin does exactly what it says - if an enemy isn’t staggered but you get a crit or headshot, they will take 40% extra damage without factoring in the stagger.

This info was taken from the Advanced Tooltips mod used in Modded Realm.