It feels great.
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Yes, that section made me physically cringe.
I assumed we were all semi-boomers here, but it appears we also have some hormone-filled teenagers in the community.
Have to put down them womens, right fellas?
By the way, Space Marine 2 has several female Cadian guardsmen, so the claim that Space Marine 2 has no female representation and is a “game for men without wahmens, hur dur” is untrue.
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I do wonder whether it is an attempt to bait or some bleed over from the Steam forums. I had a glance over them on Saturday, something I would not do normally, to get early opinions on the game, and it was awash with people spouting similar nonsense.
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Sorry but what the actual hell are you on about?
Are you recruiting for the Proud Boys? Lol
I’m 40 with a wife and child and have had a pretty interesting life to say the least.
I do not see any issues with female representation in DT. It seems you’re projecting your own insecurities or simply trolling.
You make a jibe that people on these forums have no experience with the opposite sex (or something along those lines) but your language is giving me strong angry-basement-teenager vibes.
If you want to get into the grit of it, you’re comparing the worlds most horrific and brutal galaxy spanning regime in the distant grimdark future where the entire species hangs on a thread…to…modern day china or Russia lol.
I mean, come on.
People are meat slaves in 40k. You think they keep woman aside because they’re all dainty and precious? Please get over this nonsense. I know you’re dying to call it “woke” but that’s simply not applicable here.
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I absolutely can see why people think all female characters in DT is the influx of modern writing made by people who has pronounces in twitter bio.
The reason is every female is some kind of girl-boss personality. It fits Hadron cause mechanicus are arrogant asses anyway and she also acts more funny, like a babbysitter working with mentally handicaped kids trying to save the planet.
But Hallowette and Masozi are stright up annoying.
Add here zero attractive female faces in character creation. Body type 1 and 2 thing. And you easely can trigger people.
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You’re talking to a guy who wants to insert his weird right-wing basement-dwelling politics into a game about plastic figurines and rolling dice.
This is the equivalent of never growing up from being a kid and having a “no girls allowed” on your little treehouse or something.
I’m surprised he’s not banned from the forums yet.
Stop watching the CriticalDrinker, go outside, touch some grass
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They’re just a bit lippy. Hardly ‘strong female leads’.
If they were meek and timid with exposed cleavage then you’d be ok with them?
I just think people are projecting their hangups.
I’m far from “woke” and don’t believe in gender quotas etc but not even once did I ever even consider any issues with females in the game. It’s 40k where I think it’s extremely logical to assume that today’s typical gender roles are blurred into obscurity.
Just a few hundred years ago men wore heels, wigs and pink was reserved for men due to it being such a “strong” colour.
It’s a non issue with DT.
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Is this a self projecting? Why do you think people can have their views only relying on influencers and media personas?
Well, let’s take Rogue Trader game for example, every female (and male) character written as a different archetype character:
Jae Heydari - that flirty playful extravaganza lara croft-alike chick, that hides her life scars and tough past beneath the mask.
Argenta - loyal, honest and honorable, but being teared apart with doubts and soft crisis of bilief, risking to go with dark path of self hatred and apathy.
Idira - your cynical and melancolic observer friend, struggling to deal with the fear of inevitable. Always trying to keep a distance cause knows she can be dangerous for those she loves.
Cassia - arrogant and naive at first, maturing through the taking responsibility of her destiny, powers and heritage.
And ther are more. See the difference every character archetype is more interesting and different.
You can say it’s cause in DT we are mere rejects (only at the start tho, later we are more like strike team acolytes). And that Rogue Trader is an RPG with the focus on story and characters. But in reality it doesn’t matter, it’s just a bad writing in DT.
Noone stops them to put a funny flirty shitposter instead of Hallowette, who would tell you during the mission “sweathearts, wanna hear another joke about orks and groxes” to chear up your suicide swuad a bit, and then Morrow yells “reee keep the vox channel clean”.
Like every character’s attitude it the same, you can leave only one of them who will talk in the manner “dumb rejects, go do this” and nothing will change.
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Literally every single character leading a mission insults us.
Like, you can whinge about the women being ‘girlboss’ types or whatever but they’re essentially indistinguishable from Morrow or Melk. The only difference is what they’re chewing out your reject squad for at any given moment - except for Masozi, who is tripping balls continuously.
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I’ve not played that game but it sounds like a story driven more-linear experience where narrative plays a much bigger role and is integrated into the progression.
DT on the other hand is a tide game with some infrequent soundbite tidbits from military personnel mixed into an endless play loop. Doesn’t feel like a relevent comparison.
Wanting deep and meaningful writing was not the issue I was replying too either. Simply having females as anything other than meek milkmaids was more or less the topic.
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Yes, as i said. But again, that’s not about “oh uh no girls in my game”. Sure there is no need to write DT characters more complex with character volume, but there is no reason why they are written as one archetype.
So more females like that than dudes. In the game with mostly male audience. Again, it fits for Hadrone to be like that, fits for Morrow, cause he is an old veteran who was being lost in the Warp for some time. Like there is 0 reason to have so much annoying characters.
I personaly don’t even care, DT banter and characters are much worse and soulless than in V2. But i tottaly understand why people see things as they do. Add here that other games keep feeding players with characters who act like that when there is no story context even. People were complain, people do complain, and they probably will.
In V2 some people were heavily annoyed by Kerillian (i personaly like her, FB elf as is), i think there was a mod even to mute her, lol. What FS did is they added more character like her. Makes sense.
And overall people don’t complain about strong females, when writing is good - Baldur’s Gate 3, Witcher 3, CP2077
Are any of you seriously so out of the loop as to not know what made star wars so cringe?
Well, the same people who ruined it are over on the steam SM2 forums demanding the same. “Needs more LGBT and girl SMs.”
Not going into those threads myself, but W40K is going to be the next Disney Star Wars if people don’t stand up against those people. They will turn it to the same slop they did Star Wars.
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I suspect Star Wars movies with story threads that take up 45 minutes of the film but don’t actually matter to the plot (thank you casino heist), fundamentally poor character development (Stormtroopers personally raised since childhood to be unquestioning shock troops put on…permanent sanitation detail? Great backstory Finn…), Marvelization of all the action scenes (where giant walkers marching across an open plain stand shoulder to shoulder to shoot at a dude right at their feet in a giant semi circle, instead of looking like an Eastern Front advance of a dispersed armor formation with infantry support as on Hoth), and sheer content overload had a lot more to do with star wars cringe than any identity issues.
That’s why I stopped watching Star Wars stuff at least after seeing Ep8.
Looking at the Steam forums, I see a single thread on “GW’s stance on hate”, that’s largely a self contained thread of people taking a bait post and dumping their twitterthoughts onto it.
Not sure there’s some group of “same people” going around ruining everyone’s favorite IPs.
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Tbf most of them are just farming clown awards for steam points.
But if the main western political narrative will stay the same and WH40K will go full mainstream franchise, we will see how story telling in Wh40K will shift towards some personal things “they/them person is struggling to serve in the astra millitarum, cause how they are different and can’t have any freedom of expression there, and dying for the Imperium is questionable, so they and their non-binary lesbian/gay partner are now on the way towards Tau Empire, cause Tau colonialism is not so opressive n stuff, and they are also people of color cause blue pls don’t be intolerant towards Tau. Xeno is a bad word, we should exclude it from the lore”
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Disney Star Wars was garbage because JJ Abrams is a bad director of anything that isn’t action movie schlock, Rian Johnson was stuck with nothing plotwise due to the previous problem and thus tried to finagle an entire trilogy’s plot into one movie that relied heavily on ‘subverting expectations’, and then Disney got gun-shy and made an even worse movie at the last minute because everyone on the internet lost their minds about The Last Jedi.
It was not garbage because women were in it.
And quite frankly the stuff that you and weeping.moon keep saying only reinforces the idea that you shouldn’t be given the time of day on anything serious.
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Thats probably the wrongest thing Iv ever seen written in these forums.
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As an absolute giga Star Wars fan (whatever the hell that means nowadays), it’s not the “wokeness” killing it and other IPs, it’s the money grubbing shmucks trying to distill every single story into a formula they can churn out ad nauseam without having to hire anyone who is actually a capable author/writer.
Just another victim of late-stage capitalism (not that the alternatives would be better, just different). These companies don’t give a f*** about you, me, or social justice.
If they thought they could make more money by showcasing a cast of racist, male-centric characters in their stories, they would do it in a heartbeat and we would have the same problem we have now of 1-3 of every 10 projects not being dog water.
They would come to your house personally and take a dump in your cornflakes if they thought it would net them another million dollars profit.
Stop listening to man-o-sphere podcast crap and go touch grass.
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Honestly i saw so many posts about how SM2 is gonna kill darktide and blah blah.
I love space marine 2, dont regret buying it and plan to enjoy operations and maybe even pvp a bit. It is an amazing game but it is no way has replaced anything. The only thing it did for darktide to me was make me want to enjoy BOTH for double the warhammer good times…add in V2 for tripple the good times. Nothing killed anything just more to enjoy
Bro said I have Concord in my Steam Library, the f*ck is Concord
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Pretty sure it’s this guy.
edit - Aw damn that link didn’t work, whatever you get the joke.
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