In the past few weeks, I’ve taken a step back and simply observed the forums. I’ve sought out positive threads and engaged in those discussions. However, I’ve noticed that the majority of threads tend to focus on frustrations rather than positivity.
I wonder why these frustrations are being rehashed repeatedly. Occasionally, new commenters vent their feelings but then quickly disappear. Out of curiosity, I researched why people might want to remain angry or aggrieved, and the results were fascinating. But that’s a topic for another time.
Through my conversations with many of you, I’ve learned that a lot of you no longer play Darktide and have moved on to other interests. So, why continue to participate in forums for a game that frustrates you? Personally, this experience has deepened my appreciation for the game as I’ve looked at it more critically, noting the slow yet steady rate of content drops and improvements with each update.
I just don’t understand why anyone would want to stay frustrated or angry. Moving on seems healthier for mental well-being. Holding onto anger isn’t healthy. I realize that questioning this might be uncomfortable, but my intention is not to upset anyone. Instead, I’m genuinely curious about why some choose to stay in this cycle of frustration.
If HD2 is enjoyable, why not focus on that? Or why not discuss Space Marine 2 on the Saber Interactive forums or engage with the Arrowhead forums? This isn’t about defending FS; it’s about understanding these actions that I’ve observed over the past two to three months.
I’m not looking to create conflict or drama, though I understand that might happen. My goal is to find a genuine answer to this curious behavior.
This game is only being mismanaged since before release.
Massive issues have only existed since release, been discussed many times and gotten a lot of feedback, yet are still not resolved.
And people tend to focus on frustrations?
How strange.
Not sure if you are aware of it, but problems do not tend to be solved by not talking about them.
Could it possibly have something to do with the game having great potential, but repeatetly being ran against the wall instead?
Could it mean that those people want to like the game, but that all of the longstanding issues are simply not being resolved?
Well. We will never know.
If only some of those people explained why they are still here, despite having stopped to play the game…
Oh wait. Many have explained.
Pointing out obvious bait threads aside, it’s because this game is awesome, and with a little extra love from its developers, it could be even more awesome.
OP cannot reasonably say they argue in good faith while ignoring the myriad issues Fatshark has as a game development studio.
Its like I said, quoting someone else long ago - the opposite of love isn’t hate - its indifference. Those are the ones who have moved on.
people who are here, who are offering feedback and or have complaints are people who are still invested and want the game to be better than it is. Unfortunately through a multitude of mistakes and missteps they’ve become jaded now. I still see a lot of people who want things sto be better, despite how they go about voicing it.
I guess a response is warranted for some to clear the air of some misconceptions…
What you say is true, but many of those problems have been addressed and according to FS are still being worked on. They have shown that they are fulfilling the wishes and they have not given any sign that they won’t. “Mismanagement” is a subjective opinion from one who’s observing what’s happening from the outside. It’s been said ad nausaeam the things FS has accomplished and done. Much through the time DT has been up, its release of content has been pretty consistent to the point that people can predict when content will come out accurately. But this isn’t about FS, it’s about the “players” who admittedly do not play the game yet still complain about it every single day expecting change that will come sooner than its meant to.
If anyone has not learned their lesson, I’m afraid it would be the players for demanding something that isn’t ready. Such as it is with the itemization update that people are lamenting its delay to not be included with the update coming on the 25th. Though, I will pass recognition to those who agree that something should be released when it’s ready. Sadly, I only saw one or two people on these forums say that.
So you advocate for change? That’s great! Kudos, really! But, I still don’t get this (what seems to be) need to do only that. It’s a safe estimate to say that 90% of topics by this admittedly small forum community have not been positive. Is hating on something that popular of a hobby? If HD 2 is so great, why not play that? DT will never be like HD 2 no matter how much people want it to be.
Option D: Leave negative feedback in the feedback forums where they belong? With the amount of hostility on this forums for anyone who comes to have a different opinion, they’re met immediately with snide comments and nasty remarks. I’ve seen it happen to others, and to someone (today) accidentally when someone couldn’t understand what they were saying. You want DT to be a great place, yet that’s how you lot engage with anyone who disagrees with your vision? Yikes.
Option A is great. But, I think we’ve gone way past the scope of critique.
Look, I totally get that you’re frustrated with how the Fatshark is handling things. Many feel the same way…
It’d definitely frustrating when if I felt like I wasn’t being heard. But I’ve noticed that when feedback is really harsh or negative such as it is, it tends to push developers away rather than bring them to the table.
We should absolutely hold them accountable, but in a way that’s constructive. For example, instead of saying “This update is terrible and you don’t care about the players,” don’t you think people should find a different way to communicate those ideas? If you need a forum to vent, why not use a different one instead of the community forum where you’re potentially killing the game with such vitriol?
It’s possible that you won’t get a response, as you haven’t been in the past. Fatshark has been tight lipped. Yet it cannot be denied that respectful, detailed feedback has a better chance of being taken seriously. Plus, when we keep the conversation constructive, it helps keep the community strong and positive. I mean, you wonder why the forum community is small? I kept quiet for a while waiting to find something cool to talk about or fun, but all the discussions were focused on negativity. How can anyone be a part of this community if they want to avoid such toxic behavior?
And yet, here we are, nothing has changed in the 2-3 months I’ve been on the forums. And even when they signal that they’re going to give you something that you (the royal you) desire, it’s speculated to extreme measures giving everyone their own idea of what they want, whether for release window, features or what not, that someone is bound to get upset and find something to complain about anyway. I feel for anyone who has to be a CM with that kind of community energy. Yeesh. It’s the sort of energy that’s the angry man/woman yelling at the clerk because their burger had pickles.
If that was true, you would’ve stopped complaining a while ago.
I am not being dishonest. I’m asking a question. Just because you dislike the question does not mean it’s made in bad faith. If this is a bait thread, what’s the trap? When someone says something you don’t like does that intrinsically make it bait?
I’d agree with that. And the point of my OP is to question the methods for the sake of their mental well being and the health of the community as a whole. What put me into action today was Crayvun mistaking someone as someone who had (potentially) a different mindset and it was extreme excoriation. Like… Is that the default response?
Thankfully, there was no harm no foul, but if that had been someone else who was at the wrong place at the wrong time… How many times does that occur? How many times has it occurred? You see my point?
Fatshark is a company, not a person that we are friends with, or that we are trying to parent.
We do not need to give daily feel good feedback about positive things.
Also, when something is entirely good, you can either say nothing, or you can say “it is entirely good“. That‘s it.
Of course you can write a detailed explanation of why everything is good, but there is no need to be detailed about it, when there is nothing to critique.
We want a product to be improved, so we critique the things that are not “entirely good“.
Can‘t blame players for critiquing in a harsh way, after having tried being polite about the exact same issue for a year.
This is not the profound or “out of the box“ thinking answer that you might think it is.
We are on the appropriate forum. The topic is about people voicing criticism on this forum.
You just picked option A.
More levels. Class rework. More weapons. Balance changes. Stability fixes. More plot. These are all things that have been asked for and have been delivered upon.
Even weapon customization has been iterated upon numerous times. Though, never to the satisfaction of some.
No they have not.
Unless you mean the temporary fixes that got broken again in the next update, not to be fixed again.
This is not the “FS positive“ statement that you think you made.
If anything, it tells us just how tonedeaf their handling of itemization has been.
Please stop it with this bad joke.
This guy is either the greatest troll of his generation or incredibly, incredibly naive.
Positives are not something to dwell on, especially not when they’re accompanied by giant, glaring negatives. Negatives need addressing. People want the game to improve by having these negatives addressed. Fatshark does not address them sufficiently or in a timely manner, if they even acknowledge them at all. This isn’t debatable. They also lied (I think that word is warranted to some extent) about what the game would be like. Obviously, this upsets people. There’s no reasonable case to be made that this game does not deserve every bit of flak it’s getting, so long as it’s constructive and well considered.
That being said, I agree that locking yourself in a state of anger, or easily reaching one, over the whole affair is a waste of your energy and should be avoided for your own sake. I don’t think that’s that much of the discourse here though.
And (as has already been explained), nobody can be expected to stay polite and respectful, when the other party ignores the feedback for over a year.
There is polite and respectful criticism all the time. But if hundreds of people have been pointing at the same issues for over 12 months…
Maybe some people are justified in getting annoyed at some point in time.
I am not wearing your shoes, but i am going to assume that you would be quite understanding of people getting irritated and not being polite anymore, when they (and hundreds of other people) have been telling someone to stop doing a specific stupid thing, but that person keeps doing it and does not show any sign of change.
I’ve just redirected that energy into petty spite, hence the Book of Grudges.
But seriously the reason I’m still here is that the game could easily be so much better with comparatively minor changes and getting more done, but the company in charge seems to be unwilling to do that.
There’s no reason to be less than well mannered even if it takes 10 years or never happens.
Move on, take a peek at the game every now and then. Play it if you enjoy it, or dont. Otherwise blame yourself for not taking accountability for your own actions.
Theres never a reason for bad manners, being snarky, losing temper etc.
FS has a plan. Let them execute it and follow the above guidelines. React accordingly
