Should this Psyker Staff tech be patched, or kept as a skill expression?

I see that many of you are concerned about macros, and I totally agree that macro-abuse is a problem.

let me ask one more thing: Hypothetically, even if we put aside the macro issue and assume a player is doing this entirely with their own manual inputs, do you still believe it should be patched out?

Yes. And infinite cleave reworked/removed.

Fatshark will continue to allow psyker players to cheat.

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yes cause rotten as the current balancing is, it doesn’t account for such stuff on top.

if anything a player grinding his fingers to the bone based on physical (mechanical) skill with the intended combo mechanics at hand should yield about 50% of the current damage output, then adjust enemy density and health pools around it.

right now it’s an over-arcadish whack a mole with the least effort required

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This is difficult to do consistently, congrats. I tried learning myself but gave up. It would be interesting to have this mechanic remain in some way, but with the current stagger on a single lmb being so high, the result of stunlocking infinite ragers and maulers while also rapidly applying soulblaze is just very silly and not in the spirit of the game.

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That keyboard sounds like Hall effect switches. Keychron maybe? Very nice.

Regarding the original question, I knew about it from a Hong Kong contact. The skill expression is real… Until it gets made into a macro which is easy to do.

I assumed this would get patched eventually like the quell cancel and for exactly the same reasons.

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Even if it was difficult to pull off it would still be bypassing a mechanic to achieve unintended high rate of fire, so it should be fixed imo.

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Make a bug report?

To be honest, I’d be a bit sad to see this tech go.

Before I discovered this, the standard gameplay of just looping ‘charge and fire’ felt a bit monotonous and repetitive. This tech offered a refreshing change of pace and a higher performance ceiling, which added another layer of fun to the class for me.

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Because making bug reports work so well

Also calling a bug/exploit ‘tech’ is a fun little cope

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I’m using a custom keyboard with HMX’s ‘Aperol’ switch.

Ultimately, the problem is that it’s too easy to operate using macros.

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I doubt they ever touch that aspect, it’s probably too complicated. An easier fix includes a proper Soulblaze stacks cap.

TBH I lowkey agree with you that if macros hypothetically weren’t a factor this wouldn’t really be that big of a deal. I think it being space and movement limited makes it pretty distinct from quell cancelling and I genuinely believe this is not a trivial thing to do well manually in high pressure scenarios.

I also completely sympathise with enjoying greater mechanics complexity on an otherwise pretty dull weapon.

I do think there is some overreaction in this thread though to be fair primarily displaying its use on inferno staff is pretty much setting yourself up for everyone to be extremely against it, since that is already an oppressively strong weapon.

In a perfect world inferno would be significantly tuned down and M1 in particular and this tech would be left as a way to eke out more performance if you want to sweat with it a bit more. Ideally M1 is balanced in such a way that this tech offers somewhat niche utility that doesn’t simply replace M2 so most won’t bother to macro it in the first place.

However in the world we actually live in probably the best we can hope for is for Fatshark to simply remove this interaction and maybe hopefully rework inferno staff to be more interesting and less oppressive eventually. Even more likely is that neither of those things happen.

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Good post, I agree with everything you’ve said

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That’s a bug being exploited, not a tech, and as such it has to go.

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Sorry bud, that :poop: is mad busted. Purgatus primary has ridiculously strong stagger already, might as well give all the Elites the un-staggerable buff 24/7 that everyone loves just to counter that macro.

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The best way to fix it is banning macro and macro-like modules.

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I think macros should be banned, but realistically, it’s probably difficult…

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No but it works better than a poll-thread in general discussion.

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Didn’t know about this, but if I am doing the left click staff spam build without macros it already hurts my finger clicking it as fast as I can. I don’t need anymore rate of fire.