Ogryn Mk3 Shovel -- Brutal Momentum?

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Peeps, I can’t thank you enough for all of this juicy information. Y’all are amazing!

Have an extremely long post for your efforts

@ZoroDaOtter

Telopots has a very good video explaining what BM can do: https://youtu.be/VDAUhd4pgz8?si=KSxbKZLrdwOJnsZZ

Very informative, thank you for sharing – nice rabbit hole there for sure

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@Elodie

Brutal Momentum itself is really all about the cleave.

I’m finally starting to realise that I get more raw satisfaction than actual damage crackin’ skulls! Except for the cleave portion, of course!!

@Elodie

Brutal Momentum & Skullcrusher are my go-to oggy shovel blessings.

I’m beginning to see why – especially given my affection for push/push-attack/punching ragers in the bracket/etc. it could be super useful. However if I’m looking to power up against Crushers (I’ve died a couple times recently to Crusher packs) it’s not impactful. Rager packs however…

@Elodie

there was a reason I switched over shovel V.

I feel you – when I got my hands on it at first it was love at first decapitation. After some combat use, I found myself feeling the slow-ness of the weapon and missing my almighty Mk3 smackdown attack (leading Heavy) – the versatile single/cleave attack moveset.

The nail in the coffin for me was that if I went for a (suuuuuuper strong ) folded attack and missed, it was a huge PITA to transition out of it. Skill/experience issue I’m sure, and once I get over my extremely minor trauma I’m sure to give it a fair go

Also @Elodie HUGE props for your Skullcrusher breakdown, I really really appreciate the knowledge bomb

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@BongoSkaggs

You’re forgetting about thrust.

You’re right – though not so much forget as it’s my favourite Thunder Hammer blessing – I am sleeping on it for Ogryn for the following reasons:

• Usually my goal is to get heavies out as quickly as possible for toughness
• Thunderous potentially helps me and the team out more against fat armoured targets (Brittleness affects Unyielding, right??) – though I’m beginning to re-think it’s virtue
• Skullcrusher might do more damage?

However I should especially not underestimate the Power stat provided by Thrust or the sheer satisfying brutality of a fully-charged smackdown on some fool’s head!

Honestly you’ve convinced me to significantly increase my weighting for the Thrust blessing – I’ve always kind of wanted it but didn’t think it stacked up

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@Kambrin

I personally think it’s not great on the MK3 shovel. It has really good cleave stats but it rarely actually oneshots something, so BM rarely triggers without thrust at which point you could just be playing a folding shovel and have the same thing but better.

Ah, really good point. I think it could still be worth having Thrust for big’uns and relatively (Mk3 vs Mk5) fast heavies for general use.

As you stated however, I do think it’s due to a lower-powered shovel as mine does one-shot head-shot chaff and it’s GREAT.

@Kambrin

I like thunderous a lot due to how fast it is. Lately I’ve been using thunderous and skullcrusher and it actually destroys crowds almost as well as a knife

I assume that’s more Skullcrusher than Thunderous, though I’m sure the Brittleness helps on flak mobs. Just thinking about Brutal Momentum vs. Skullcrusher here!

@Kambrin

heavy hitter and attackspeed (and unlike the other shovels, attackspeed actually functions on the MK3 - they forgot to copypaste they fix to this to the new shovels)

Seriously, folding shovels have no benefit from Heavy Hitter??? Horrendous if so…

@Kambrin

the thing I resent the most about recent changes is that the dickpunch no longer knocks bulwarks over. That was incredibly funny and didn’t feel OP

I feel your extreme disappointment… I must have missed it in the patch notes, but I definitely have missed it in game…

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@CommanderJ

Skullcrusher is extremely inconsistent […] It’s doubly complicated by there being multiple stagger-states, and that the duration of staggers in no way correlates to the animations.

FAATSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRK!!!