I mean right now H/M+S is probably the strongest shield weapon by a good margin (oh how the times have changed lol), so that seems like a fair balancing factor. I’d say mace + shield is probably the best weapon for FK right now, it’s also a top pick for GK.
I really think it’s fine and I haven’t had any issue at all getting the shield bash off in tough situations (even with no attack speed bonuses).
Anyway, apart this, I disagree that M&S is the strongest shield. S&S has more damage vs hordes. A&S has more armors damage and its bash is even faster than a standard bash. Without talking about about BS&S and Elf Shield, wich clearly maintin their pros.
Anyway, if Fatshark started to think that M&S is too strong, there would be better ways to balance them… a malus on the bash, one of the fundamental shields’ features, seems to me silly.
I’m not sure I have understood what you wrote… but it should be a bug, look the link I posted above.
If the choice is to speed up the bash but nerf the M/H&S in another way to compensate, I’d really prefer the weapon is not messed with at all. Altogether it’s a good and balanced weapon as-is.
And since tge topic came up: I personally still prefer A&S on Ironbreaker (and Engi and RV). That’s also a great weapon. I wouldn’t nescessarily rank M/S&S over A&S right now. I think they are pretty well matched though. Shield weapons as they are now are all in a good spot, and I wouldn’t like them to be messed with muxh, to be honest. (But S&S needs its angle fixed as Soul said, and it might benefit from the headshot multiplier that other swords got as well.)
Fair points. Honestly I don’t play much IB or AnS so my comparison point was more with Kruber SnS and Bret SnS, neither of which seem to me to offer much to compete with MnS. Agreed SnS could use both the block arc increase as well as 1h sword’s finesse increase. Maybe then it’d be fine and balanced, I dunno.
I feel S&S is actually a better and safer control weapon than M&S, funnily enough. It is faster and less stamina hungry, while it can still deal with single targets / armor well enough. I like it as a backup weapon on GK to get out of high pressure situations.
Though I must admit I haven’t really played GK since last BBB, because always when I’m about to play a different Kruber I think “But I could also be playing FK with M&S right now…”. One of my absolute favorite classes in the game right now.
@FatsharkJulia I would not want there to be a misunderstanding, because it seems to me very strange… I can understand if they want to make M&S a slower weapon, but we aren’t talking about slow mobility or slower attack speed. There is a delay, an input lag, after a push.
Moreover BBB’s patch note said they introduced bash attack as heavy 1 exactly for “copy” other shields’ behavior, wich have to match about certain mechanics (like bashing), while they have remain different about other aspects Indeed M&S doesn’t need this input lag/slower bash, it already has cleary disadvantages when compared with similar weapons like S&S (more horde damage, less stamina hungry) and A&S (faster in every single aspect, more armor damage, more single target damage).