Hive scum hate thread #99

I seriously do not understand the appeal of this class, I have tried it over and over - the ranged builds are boring, the melee builds are unsatisfying, the blitz’s are braindead - and it’s the only class whose voice lines can make me cringe. The hive scum is supposed to be a glass cannon, yet whenever I play as this class, I feel invincible.

This class does not take skill; I am tired of seeing that sentiment. The reason you see hive scum players getting cooked constantly is because every class has people who suck. Hive scum players are just the most annoying. It’s obvious when they blow up everything with the missile launcher then die in the most pathetic way imaginable. It’s easier to miss an ogryn who is left behind just getting caught out in the open by gunners for example.

Anyway, the main thing I hate about this class are the blitz. The missile launcher is completely braindead and functions like a hero shooter ultimate. Chem grenade is marginally better. The worst part, sometimes I will be fighting these enemies, and they will just disappear. The missile explosion won’t be visible, and only so many dead enemies can be on screen, so the enemies are just gone. It looks absolutely stupid. At least with the ogryn frag the explosion is so big you can’t see the enemies disappear. With the missile you can just see 10 crushers get sent to the shadow realm and make absolutely no sound or have any visual effects whatsoever, except for the muted “boom” of the missile going off.

The kiting is also very frustrating. This class basically will instakill everything. Left click 1 time, then instakill 1-2 ragers instantly with each swing, because of hyperviolence and rampage and criticals all going off. Oh yeah, I was talking about the kiting - if you’re playing with a hive scum they will instakill everything - until a pack of crushers shows up. When that happens, if they can’t just delete them with the missile launcher, this is where the stupidity begins.

99 times out of 100 they will then take out the needle gun and run away, just straight up run away with the needle gun until everything is dead. This will usually take 1-3 minutes. Usually at this point it’s likely 2-3 teammates will also be dead because of the hive scum just running away from every fight and kiting everything, never attempting to do anything that might put them in harm’s way. Like SpongeBob, when he was afraid to go outside and started talking to a potato chip instead of interacting with people. That’s literally the hive scum except he only talks to his needle gun and boom bringer.

Ok so, let me get this straight - hive scum players do not seem to like to play the game. They have a functionally infinite number of dodges, melee is extremely easy - if you say it’s not you are a bot. Where an Ogryn has to charge a heavy and swing to kill a rager, the hivescum just goes - “eh’”, waves their hand and like 2 die instantly from a light attack. They do not play as a team, always off by themselves. Never interacts with the enemies, never helps disabled teammates - not because they don’t want to but because they’re out of blitz and it would be literally impossible to actually engage with the enemies - lest they die immediately.

I understand every class can boil down to playing a flowchart but come on. Every time I get a hive scum player with the boom bringer in my lobby, I will debate leaving but usually don’t and regret it. The worst teammates I have ever had are hive scum players. I would rather have the ogryn who never sprints ever, the zealot who runs ahead, the psyker who smites all game - old camouflage vet sitting in the corner.

Because you are, the dodges, and dodge linger timings are insanely high, and the reason why I laughed at some of the initial reactions of Tide “influencers” who claimed the class is “weak”.
For the same reasons the player skill based, “active” defence claim I heard in some initial reviews is “slightly” overblown.

Sure, you cannot tank hits like Ogryn, arbi or zealot, and you actually get punished for those mistakes, but as long as you are awake, and not in a bad position, your survivability is top notch. You just have less protections from DT “b..llshit” situations, when you can just observe as the game mechanics break on your screen.

Great copy pasta.

I hated Hive Scum since the announcement and nothing changed because how boring and uncreative the class is. Arbitrator already got a lot of critisism for stealing Ogryn’s role of tanking and staggering, and FS has doubled down:
Ranged scum is just old vet + gunlugger, but better.
Melee scum is just old knife zealot + melee psyker, but better.
His blitzes are basically old blitzes, but better.
Chemist was the only interesting one, but it’s unique mechanic is a nothingburger and people only use it to counter corruption for certain gear-check Havoc modifiers.

Also I don’t like the whole makeshift gear and lowly reject slop aestetics with Hive Scum. Hope the AdMech class brings actual Warhammer™ stuff to the game, instead of scrap Uzis and daggers that I’ve seen 100 times in other games.

I agree with alot of what you said here but the idea that hive scum’s aesthetics is not “actual warhammer™” is just objectively wrong

This is first edition when warhammer 40k was still rogue trader, the 80’s punk aesthetics has always been a part of 40k.
This doesn’t mean you have to like it or that you can’t be dissapointed by hive scum because you would rather see something else but like it or not hive scum ARE “warhammer ™”.

Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it’s important or interesting. Like double-barreled shotguns exist in the lore, but are they trully a good pick when there are Meltas, Hellguns, etc? They didn’t even bother making unique Warhammer™ weapons (except for the Needler) like in Necromunda because gangsters on our planet are hobos in diffirent colored rags using scrap weapons.

Besides, a lot of ganger stuff was renconned, like Space Marines on your pic acting like police force lmao

What did you just call me??

You wanna fight about it, killjoy??

Huh???

(Love Hive Scum, my namesake)

Good old days when the Space Marines were evil facists!

Still are

Sure, but it’s grimdank and such nowadays instead of 80s comfort cheese.

That is subjective

Aesthetics remained though.

You’re not wrong, I don’t hate the junk weapons but there is a lot more that we could have had aswell.

I kinda think it’s less grimdark now, back then it was so grimdark that it was silly (kinda like judge dredd) now it feels like gw is trying to have it’s cake and eat it too.

I love the old school art.

This is so peak:


Very silly that it was actually funny

This one is my favorite


They still have the derpy bolters

cathedral on legs vs giant roomba

It’s peak!

Yes, and it’s good that some people enjoy Scum, I am personally bored to death of the real world analogue #34124515 weapons that come in almost every content update.

IIRC there was an Imperial Guard regiment that used clubs like some unga-bunga cavemen, can’t wait to have a wooden club for the Veteran instead of a Power Fist or Hellgun! That would be peak Warhammer™!

that one is just like those brawls in cartoons where you have a cloud of dust with fists and feet sticking out

I kinda do want a wooden club for veteran

Trench club is peak!

But if I have to choose between club and hellgun I choose hellgun every day of the week.

Or how about this:

dude using makeshit axes made of bones like a savage Orc from FB.