yep, using the original names, the Mk I. It’s a great all-rounder, at least for my playstyle - I went into a few auric matches with the Mk II and really struggled with it’s low(er) damage, despite the higher RoF and charge speed. worth having a look at the Mk I if it’s been awhile.
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Not having enough damage for MK2? thats odd, What kind of build are you using?
Also not enough damage for what? the only thing i struggle with using MK2 is crushers and maulers, and if i dont have any MF stacks then unarmored ragers.
I guess you could also struggle with some enemies when you body-shot them instead of headshotting. So if thats the problem then yeah i can see MK1 being a better option then 2. (if it does have higher damage, again i havent played it in 2 years so i’ve no idea how different the mk1 is, i only remember that it was horrible back then.)
I guess i could revisit it after all this time, now that all it needs is a button press to change marks. Praise to the new crafting \o/
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To further drive the point home :
here’s my score after 16 day long break from darktide (and games in general)
In the team we have me with helbore, and another ranged focused vet with infantry lasgun. (it was either kelo or the heretic, wasnt really paying attention to them in game)
The other players were running shield ogryn and VOC veteran.
So i ask you again, if helbore is such a horrible gun how the hell am i able to get such a score?
if it was oh so bad, not fit for darktide weapon wouldnt it mean i should be the one with the lowest score across the board?
Write an essay repeatedly insulting people you disagree with, acting like you’re some sort of authority. That’ll really convince people!
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That bottom left keystone benefits full auto guns more than any other. I don’t remember how high it scales off-hand, but it’s how a lot of content creators get 800k+ damage on auric maelstroms with recon lasguns and infantry autoguns. Spray and pray at roughly head level will dodge sliding and you’ll be at max stacks with practically no effort.
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Logic, reason and evidence clearly didnt register, so you guys needed to be knocked off your high horse, though i assume this will also fall on deaf ears.
Clearly its not within the realm of possibility that you guys simply arent using the gun properly/are bad at it… The arrogance you guys exhibit is staggering.
I am pretty sure that those sights are not standard.
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Yep, he’s using the mod. I do too but use vraks instead.
Oh though i should mention i only started using the mod like 2 months ago.
If there’s anything everyone in here can agree on is that helbore does have shitty ironsights.
Your logic, reason and evidence is just ad hominems and "trust me, bro"s 
Y’know what? Maybe YOU need to be knocked off of YOUR high horse because you’re over here saying that the Plasma Gun isn’t “ammo efficient” just because you can’t waste it on melee trash, which means you’re just not playing the Plasma Gun right.
Yeah, I’ll apply your own logic to your backwards arguments, thanks 
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???
I literally showed you my scoreboards, i invited you to play together to get firsthand experience and i showed a video of another player dominating the game with the helbore.
Which part of all that is “trust be bro”?
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Where exactly did i say
Could you quote me? because my eyesight might be quite poor and i cant quite spot it.
And i’ve absolutely no idea what you mean here, you need to rephrase it.
Riiight here:
It’s pretty self-explanatory?
Well then you can’t really blame people for not liking it as weapons should be judged by they modless performance.
I’m not saying it’s a bad gun, I’m saying I understand as I didn’t really enjoy bows in Vermintide that much and this is basically a bow with different skin.
What I will say is that long charge Hellbore’s bayonet sucks Nurgle’s balls. It does less damage than other two marks, has crap arc and long animation.
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So now i’ve to teach you english too?..
The word “better” does not mean “good” or that the other thing is bad.
An extreme example for easier understanding :
“This sewage water tastes better then that tidepod i gulped down a while ago”
Sewage is “better” but that doesnt mean its “good” it only means it is less disgusting then the latter.
“this cake is better then my mom’s spaghetti”
The cake is better but that doesnt mean the spaghetti is bad.
And if you’re trying to tell me, the plasma gun is very close to ammo efficiency with helbore then you’re going to need to show me some proof.
If you take a look up at the latest scoreboard i showed, take a look at the ammo pickups line, I picked up only 1 small and 1 big ammo bag in the entire game. And the big one i only picked up at the end of the game because didnt want to run out right before extraction (though i still had 200 left in my reserve close to the end so it should’ve had been enough for the whole game).
And throughout the entire match i only pulled out my melee weapon 3 times for max 10-30 seconds on out of control hordes.
So are you saying, that the plasma gun only needs 1 small ammo pickup and still be constantly used in the entire game?
I’m gonna level with you: I responded to your scoreboards with compliments, despite you insulting me then, and your continued insults just leaves me not giving a d*mn what you have to say. You could post the solution to the disconnect between relativity and string theory and win a nobel prize, at this point, and I still wouldn’t care. I have zero respect for anything you have to say and you’ve lost all credibility with me.
Keep writing pages of insults and seethe. I promise I won’t read them.
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Again, i played with it for 2 years and only 2 months-ish ago i downloaded the mod. The ironsights is an annoyance but it does not make the weapon worthless or as bad as they make it out to be.
And i should point out : I am not blaming anyone for not liking the weapon, or want to convince anyone to like it. This whole and entire time i am simply defending a good weapon from being called “awful” and “not fit for darktide” (paraphrasing)
If you’re talking about helbore MK3 (whatever its called now) then yeah, pretty much everyone’s in agreement with this too.
Not constantly, but if you reserve your ammo for Elites, Monstrosities, Specialists and maybe the occasional ranged trash? You really shouldn’t have too much of a problem with ammo, one or two pickups should suffice just fine on Damnation.
Saying the Helbore’s more “ammo efficient” than a Plasma Gun because it can shoot stuff that doesn’t need to be shot and still have leftover ammo’s like saying your car’s fast because it’s rolling down a cliff.
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It would be a shame to lose progress so let’s summarise and refocus.
- The sights need fixing - experienced users are using Crosshair Remapped and Weapon Customisation to compensate.
- The old Mk III (now Mk IV) bayonet needs fixing - it is comically bad. Change it or give it the poke animation from the other two.
- There is a theme of people (understandably) trying to use it as a sniper rifle and being frustrated when it is not a sniper rifle and this is not a sniper-friendly game.
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No weapon is worthless or as bad as they make it out to be, just not rewarding to use fun wise or performance wise. Performance wise it is ok, I am crap at marksmanship and not gonna claim otherwise, fun wise, every time I switch to it, it takes too long to activate. Same reason I don’t really use bolter. That button press after every equip takes away from fun.
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To be more ammo efficient means to be able to shoot more stuff and use less ammo. What you use this ammo for is not important.
The fact remains, helbore has better ammo efficiency then plasma gun.
And i still refuse to believe you could run a plasma gun as a primary gun for 25 minutes and only need 1 clip. If it can then just like @Ralendil has been fighting about it, it needs a nerf.
The reason why helbore can hold on for 25min with only 1 small ammo pickup is because of the vet talent that doesnt use ammo on crit hits with las weapons. That same talent does not work on the plasma gun (last i checked).
But still even without it it would still have better ammo efficiency. As it should considering what kind of weapons they are.