Havoc: Crafting 2.0, or "How to build a something nobody asked for, and then completely whiff why people don't like it"

[weeping.moon]

I will just repost and repeat that adding new modes that have no cross-progression with existing ones is bad. Without any fun motivation (not forcing) you can’t escape community being split.

@weeping.moon

For such mode to work you need a longer progression and deeper itemizations system with cross progression to normal mode.

Something like:

You stuck at Havoc 20 → go play normal games, earn better gear → come back to Havoc → beat Havoc 25, earn unique cosmetics or weapons with unique blessings → use it in normal mode. /repeat

Maybe unique currency you can use for something, even premium currency for beatin Havoc 40 every season. Also seasonal updates for Havoc (i doubt it will be)

When you have separated modes that just split playerbase and don’t work like closed system with the core mode it’s bad, it was fine 15 years ago.

And insted of ladder alike mode like Havoc, bring reimagined Twitch mode from V2, where you can crunch up sliders to modify difficulty as you want. And enjoy runs with x5 enemy HP and damage, x4 spawns, x10 bosses, x2 longer ability cooldown, etc.