Buffing "Wrack and Ruin" is pointless. Rework suggestion

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Wrack and Ruin is useless. It only triggers when a specialist or elite are hit by Brain Burst and that’s the biggest problem.

When you kill a gunner, all shooters around them will survive the pitiful 4 stacks of soulblaze, there is no point in using Wrack and Ruin.

When you fight a horde and elites come at you double time the last thing you want to do is BB a rager or shotgunner, or anything - you’re surrounded, remember? What? Rely on teamwork? You mean take a gamble^2? The result will be the same - nothing will take actual damage, except for the BB target. And you. Because you’ve opened self for the entire horde.

Combo Wrack and Ruin with Wildfire and target ogryns? And sacrifice all other options, including the Purgatus staff, which works better with Wildfire alone? Do you meet ogryns that often?

The actual suggestion:
Make Wrack and Ruin hit around the psyker themselves instead.
Add a forced stagger/suppression shockwave/aura, so it gives psyker some breathing space after using BB.
This will allow to pick off prime targets even under pressure.

Not a bad competitor to reduced peril costs and increased force weapon damage, eh? Especially with Kinetic Flayer/Barrage

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Yeah, Wrack and Ruin doesn’t function reliably unless you catch a wandering shooter group before they’re aggro’d. Which, y’know, fat chance when any attacks near them will send them running for cover.

I like this idea, though. It would definitely give Psykers using Kinetic Barrage a strong alternative to relying on a Veteran (who might not even be in the game) to snipe down distant specials under pressure.

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Wrack and ruin is ideally stacked with ascendant Blaze. You can use W&R as an opener and then follow up with AB and you will get 8-10 stacks of soulblaze out, which can kill a lot of stuff. If you’re playing on damnation, elites/specials are a regular and constant occurance, and you can even to a BB, AB, and another BB on elites and really do some damage.

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When you kill a gunner, all shooters around them will survive the pitiful 4 stacks of soulblaze, there is no point in using Wrack and Ruin.

It isn’t meant for shooters. It is meant for you to soften the Horde around the Crusher and Ragers bee-lining your frontline. And if you, instead of going for kills yourself, have skilled your Brain Burst with Lascerate, you increase the damage they receive. So you cycle through all the big boys running at your frontline. You open up the Bastion’s shield for your shooters, and you target crushers to soften them… as well as Ragers and the like… which means 3 brain bursts for 3 different targets and the Horde surrounding them does not just have 4 stacks but 12 stacks.

It isn’t meant to kill one gunner and have everything around them die. That is what you got a Veteran for. Gunners shouldn’t be your responsibility, unless you are the only one on the team that can handle them.

When you fight a horde and elites come at you double time the last thing you want to do is BB a rager or shotgunner, or anything - you’re surrounded, remember? What? Rely on teamwork? You mean take a gamble^2?

No, i trigger my special to stun the horde, dodge backwards, release my Brain Burst or rely on Kinetic Flayer to trigger while i melee the horde. You make it sound like it is rocket science. Especially when you use the Psyker specific melee weapons like the Rapier and the Force Swords you have a lot of Dodge distance to get between you and the enemy.

And yes, i do rely on Teamwork. This is a Co-op game… not an “I do everything myself” game. Psyker is a force multiplier, if you play it as nuker you will always be subpar.

Because you’ve opened self for the entire horde.

And you can keep well out of the hordes reach if you use your Melee weapons dodge distance to your advantage to clear some space between you and the horde. This isn’t much different from the Veteran. Although i will admit the time it takes to release a Brain Burst is still to long, in my opinion… but it can be done. Sure, if you had a Helbore you probably could delete two specials instead of one.

The actual suggestion:
Make Wrack and Ruin hit around the psyker themselves instead.

Please, no! I do like my Psyker the way it is… with Cerebral Lascerations and Wrack & Ruin to make my Teammates lives easier. We can discuss increasing the stacks on Wrack and Ruin but it needs to stay around the Brain Burst or there is literally no reason to brain burst anymore. Why? Because everything a Brain Burst does can be done just as easily with one of the sniping weapons. Bring a Lasgun or a Headhunter and you’ll be better at removing that gunner and those shooters.

No, the way it is right now, its a great support tool to make everyones lives easier to deal with Crushers and Bulwarks.

Add a forced stagger/suppression shockwave/aura, so it gives psyker some breathing space after using BB.
This will allow to pick off prime targets even under pressure.

Reducing the time it takes to charge the brain burst by a third or half will also increase the ability to be used under pressure. And if you need breathing space, that is exactly what your Special Ability does and is meant to be for. Pick Ascending Blaze if you want it to burn the horde on being triggered.

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All your criticue comes down to “I have this specific playstyle and these specific situations that totally disprove your points despite not giving the view at large.” It’s like we’re playing different games. Not worth the bother.

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I thought we speak english.

You could have at least check your damage, Mr. Don’t Kill Them Yourself. And no, you get surrounded instantly, and no - infested are resistant to soulblaze, that’s why you need the staff.

Your “Play like me and you’ll be fine!” is just sad. You’ve taken too much of my time already. And don’t get passive-agressive with me, you’ll get the same treatment.

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I thought we speak english.

Considering english isn’t my native language I think I do pretty okay… ish. But I think it is more likely that you do not want to understand what i was saying, than you actually having trouble understanding what i was saying.

You could have at least check your damage

According to the scoreboard mod i do rather well, but thank you for asking.

And don’t get passive-agressive with me, you’ll get the same treatment.

You mean the passive aggressive treatment you displayed already?

All your criticue comes down to “I have this specific playstyle and these specific situations that totally disprove your points despite not giving the view at large.”

Your “Play like me and you’ll be fine!” is just sad.

And yet here we are, you asking to change something to cater to your playstyle, while at the same time faulting me for saying “this would ruin my playstyle”. I can only assume that means you believe you should be catered to more than the people that actually found a use “as is”.

Also, of course, instead of actually trying to make a case for why I am wrong and the change is necessary, despite there being people that found a use for it “as is”. You decided to write not just one but two non answers to let me know just how little you can be bothered to write a reply. If you would have used all the time you wasted on those replies with an actual counter argument you might have convinced someone, maybe even a Dev, that your change is necessary and it is more beneficial to the game compared to my position of “i like it the way it is, this change is unnecessary and counter productive”.

You’ve taken too much of my time already.

Not worth the bother.

And yet you bothered… not just once but twice. Also funny how you warned me not to do the thing you did, or you would need to do more of the thing you did.

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Effortless slander. Weak.

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Any suggestions of this magnitude are going to need scrutiny from a vast number of players to see if they’re actually a good idea, or even wanted. On this occasion, it would appear that your suggestions are being met with resistance, hence the community disagrees.

I main Psyker, and one of the builds I have uses Wrack and Ruin, and personally I’m quite happy with it the way it is. As IshanDeston has already said, this skill is intended to soften the horde, not nuke them. Indeed BB isn’t a good ‘nuke’ option anyway, given how slow it is, how much peril it generates, and the fact that Veteran exists - you know, the class that’s particularly good at ranged DPS.

If the way Psyker plays isn’t to your tastes, I would suggest reworking your build or trying a different class. The solution is not to change how your chosen class works for literally everyone that plays the game.

tl;dr - I respectfully disagree with your suggestions.

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That’d be fine too, I like that.

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Wrack and Ruin was considered a good, arguably the best, pick for gun builds before Warp Unleashed was over buffed to unreasonably outshine that whole tier. The elephant in the room with discussions like this is that Warp Unleashed as it currently is is too good for the others to reasonably compete with, inner tranq might have fared better if they didn’t also massively buff venting at the same time.

That matter aside I still can see Wrack and Ruin being a potentially nice option for some AoE to add to your build, my favourite suggestion for it was to allow it to proc off any target but to then reduce the stacks back down to 3. Allowing wider use cases for BB based on your spec is something I’d be in support of.

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You can tell that OP has absolutely nothing of value to share from his responses in this thread.

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Neither do you.

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I’ve always wanted a psyker feat that turns other DoTs you inflict into soulblaze instead…

But rework or not, it probably wont matter much until warp unleashed in brought back in line.

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