it should have like half the ammo it has rn and everyone disagreeing is just showing they can’t aim and use it as a crutch
by this logic nothing except the top few performing weapons should be nerfed
See, all of these reasons I feel are why I’d rather they NOT nerf the boltgun.
Cause it feels really good at exactly what it does, while not being OVErly good.
This mainly being due to me running around on Zealot as much as I do Vet, and I feel on Zealot the gun is pretty much completely fine. It does as you describe, but you never find yourself overusing it, as your ammo (even with it at 100 reserves now) is still rather tight, to the point you pretty much use it as a spacing tool or to ‘soften up’ a Monstrosity or line of Ogies. It drops 2-3 Oggies in a good volley (with no team help) and that’s about the same as the Plasma before overheating. You can get more out of it by ADSing, but said fire mode has you dropping your fire rate into the floor, meaning if targets are pressing up on to you/mowing you down with gunfire, you are absolutely not getting anything more than a shot off before you gotta duck away or swap to your melee weapon. Where in that long pull out time often keeps it stowed until it’s absolutely needed again, in which case it’s swapped too.
The Vet then dials it up, and makes the weapon feel fantastic since they are you know, good with their weapons, that’s like the one thing that’s kept them alive this long XD. Massively mitigated pull out time, easily accessible reload speed reduction, makes it feel great to use and shoots it’s capability into the ceiling. But I feel the gun itself shouldn’t be rocketed back into ‘Zealot unusability’ just because the Veteran is good at what he does. I feel the buffs they gave it (obviously) helped it feel very good, while the recoil on it’s ADS keeps it largely in line, with the ammo economy keeping one from mag dumping every 2 seconds as well.
It sit’s comfortably in ‘I need a Hero’ levels of weaponry for me, ‘I don’t always have it equipped, but it’s there when I need it’. I’m sure a good vet can sit ADS’d 100% of the time behind their entire team and use it ‘rather liberally’ as well with it’s current ammo count and survivalist, but to that end that’s kinda the point of the Aura. And if you’re NEVER mag dumping…then your team is INSANELY good at just melting the horde themselves without your help, so it’s kinda a moot point XD.
Though…I guess at the end of the day, a vague ‘reduce ammo’ feels harsh to me just given to the lack of granularity. I would not like to see it go back to 80, or even worse see it somehow get reduced further than that. But, if they dropped it to 90 (6 full mags, instead of 6 + 2/3rds of one like it currently is), I could see that working. Stays a good ‘panic’/long range tool for Zealots, Veterans now only boost their reserves to 116 instead of 130, losing out on a mag of wiggle room. I see that being ‘noticable but not unfun’, and would take that.
But I don’t think it need’s more than that, primarily because of Zealot. I like my ‘Plasma Gun but more Angry’, not ‘Flamer but I have to aim/the gun fights me’.
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Nah the boltor ammo is fine as it should be just play boltor pistol instead boltor is more used for shredding boss health like spawn beast daemonthost and plauge when you play auric maelstorm and standred auruc missions with alot boss spawns not wasting the ammo like an chicken with no head
I’ve just rediscovered the bolt gun, as I imagine many have given the current armour event.
Better than I remembered.
I think if I were to change anything, maybe make the full auto fire rate slower?
You can still magdump, but it’ll take twice as long to empty.
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This would be a good idea
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All of you “bolter ammo needs to be reduced” dorks have never actually played any difficulty higher than vanilla heresy, have you? With all of the specials, monsters, and clusters of elites auric maelstrom damnation throws at you, I run out of ammo regularly, even with good aim and ammo aura. Bolter ammo absolutely does not need to be nerfed, especially not by f*cking HALF like some of you are suggesting. It’s a strong gun with clear downsides and is very well balanced as is.
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“eVeRY OnE WhO disagReEs WiTH ME Is wROnG!”
The Bolters “Burst” Fire es extremely good at clearing groups of specials like ragers.
It has nothing to do with bad aim.
I disagree with OP.
Depending on build, difficulty, modifiers
and team composition you can very well run out of ammo.
As other stated you can’t shoot the Bolter indefinitly with Survivalist,
especially after it was nerved.
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Seriously man, zero offense, I mean that as a joke… but I’m starting to believe that some of you are working for the competition and want to make the game more boring on purpose
Bolter is fine as it is
The damage is high, as it rightly should, but not exaggerated. One mag kills on average 2, max3 crushers. You can’t 1BSkill even a Gunner. Bosses take a while to die
On the other hand, the flaws are all there and they are clear. It remains a weapon with a small magazine and slow reloading. Draw/firing time is long. You need to aim to kill a threat from medium range (more time that you lose). Not to mention the small pool of total ammo
It is a really difficult weapon to use in the most chaotic and hard situations… which are precisely the situations where you would need it most. It’s a weapon that doesn’t allow you to kill that crucial enemy on the fly while surrounded by a group of elite, for example
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From my perspective, the Bolter is capable of absolutely insane things, as I’ve seen myself and that others have clearly demonstrated. That said, in my experience most players are not capable of getting that sort of performance out of it, and I certainly am not.
I no longer have the twitch reflexes that I once did when UT/Q3/CS1.6 were big, and coupled with the Bolter’s slow and awkward handling and low magazine capacity, no matter how capable the top tier of players is with it, it feels like a clunky hunk of junk in my hands, and I rarely see the Bolter runners top the scoreboard. I’ve been on a couple runs with some truly unreal Bolter players, but most people just seem to do merely okay with it.
To me, that’s fine. If it’s a weapon that lavishly rewards ability, and is otherwise mediocre in average hands, I’m okay with that.
Reducing the ammo capacity would probably not be a great experience for more typical players, and likewise shrinking the magazine size doesn’t have far to go before it dips into bolt pistol territory. If the sweats can make it sing while the plebs just kinda make it work, I don’t really see an issue.
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no rebuttal?
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Maybe before the ~recent bolter updates this was true, it was rather meh imho, but post-update the bolter felt much better to me. The bolter’s ability to mow down a large and wide group of elites or pick off shooters quicker is far more useful than the plasma penetration. It can even kill stuff behind light cover and is better at snap shots on specials like distant snipers and bombers, you can engage more targets in a more rapid succession. The bolt gun and pistol projectile cleave and targeting makes it really good for its role.
It might be getting a nerf along with bolter pistol once the aim/recoil jank gets properly fixed, though that’s a long shot at this point.
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The only thing I would say the bolter is really better for is for doing DPS extremely fast, if not for the max ammo of the bolter being low I would agree with you on everything. I don’t think it deserves a nerf right now since it’s balanced by its low ammo capacity and horrible max ammo tbh.
The Bolter isn’t a sniper rifle.
Yes, aimed long range shots are a thing, BUT:
Shooting controlled burst into groups of enemy specials is absolutely legit.
On higher difficulties this even becomes nessecary and can save a run.
The recent Ogryn Event is a good example.
You may want to get off of your high horse, because I got the impression, that either you don’t use the Bolter very often or you use it on lower difficulties/modifiers.
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To reference my earlier point above, most players aren’t capable of just headshotting every target with a single shot every time. If you are, okay, the Bolter may be insanely powerful, but otherwise, most people under stress tend to miss, a lot. Additionally, sometimes you get a clump and its easier to just mag-dump into the oncoming Rager-wall.
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