I don’t have much trouble with monsters using the exaction shotgun (long barrelled one) and shock maul, or shield + maul and shield + pistol.
I really think an arbitrator with a +30% damage bonus, full grenades… is better
With lone wolf, it is 5 grenades in the monster face that you throw… let’s say the monster is a little “wounded” after that
This is not krak grenades, but they explode on contact and deal a fair amount of damages.
Also, I won’t argue with you on this… anyone using a DS actually is, in my opinion, someone that is obviously learning the game.
If he needs the most OP weapon of the game just to play, this shows that he is not ready to play the game (without a crutch)
So, I don’t take into account OP builds for players that learn the game (and that should have been nerfed for months)
Skill issue.
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You may have a valid point about the talents, but the way you chose to say it is unnecessarily condescending. Telling people they can’t grasp basic concepts adds nothing to the discussion and just discourages conversation. If you want to be helpful, explain the mechanic. If you just want to talk down to people, that’s not constructive for anyone.
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Lower the difficulty.
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I keep saying this to Dexta…
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People tried being more helpful and he doesn’t want it.
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Actually, no idea here as well.
The only good things about this class are being durable and having great CC.
Somewhat ok damage, yet even boom-ogryn outperforms him heavily.
I am achieving way better results with Hive Scum because everything dies before I run out of dodges, regardless of lots of bugs. Yet that class is commonly perceived as “too weak” 
You can disagree or point out mistakes without taking cheap shots. If someone isn’t receptive, just move on.
well for one the arbites compared to the scum, which needs skill to make it work, so kudos, is a very forgiving and noob friendly class.
usually I see one or multiple charging headlong into stupid encounters and get out unscathed unless they really suck at the game, which I had one particular example yesterday.
arbi gets away with many stupid and sloppy decisions where scum etc would drop instantly when surrounded.
that in itself is a failsafe when it comes to encounter bosses.
shock mine, lone wolf and the club plus talent?
bosses melt like butter
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The strongest build right now is going dogless and taking advantage of the shockmaul bug. Outside of that, you’re absolutely right. On lower difficulties the class feels more forgiving because of the dog, but the dog scales really poorly as the difficulty goes up.
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shock mine does nothing vs bosses
and what is club plus talent?
because it feels like you’re claiming that Arbites shines only with shockmaul exploits (which is not the same as being OP)
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but why sugarcoat when already mentioned facts weren’t acknowledged?
you think my boss at work minced words to correct something I was wrong about?
or my mate in the gym when my form was 
?
after so many decades of learning in different areas, I for one am truly appreciating someone taking the “no-bullsht” approach, giving it to me straight and basically the “essence” of it.
“feelings” are non-existent when it comes to improving or efficiency.
and neither do I take criticism or cause to improve myself as a negative thing, much less to the point of insult.
it may read “offensive” but that’s neither by intend nor does it alter the essence of the idea behind it 
the class offers many options to get bosses down conveniently, if someone for some reason neglects these abilities its time to look for reasons within that personal playstyle
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to my knowledge when I was playing arbi at release the mine was giving them the electrocute debuff, same as with the club to proc the effect.
when using both at the time I got pretty good results.
paired it with the electro-shotgun blessing and it worked satisfactorily as well.
what more should I tell you?
as stated above, bolter could be a good anti boss alternative and I’ve seen shield being a proper tool for the job as well as far as dps went.
dudes using it proper did pretty good boss damage on the scoreboard.
so there are options besides the shock maul
and let’s not forget, arbi remains standing even in unfavorable placements where other classes need to mind the chaff around the boss as well.
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^^^
Being direct is fine. No one is asking for sugarcoating. The issue is that you are mixing direct with dismissive, and those are not the same thing.
Your boss or your gym partner can talk to you however they want because they know you and they are invested in your improvement. Here, you are talking to strangers who came to discuss a game.
You say feelings are irrelevant, but communication still matters. If the goal is to help people understand the class, then clarity works better than insults. If the goal is just to vent frustration, then say that plainly.
And yes, the class has tools against bosses. That can be explained without framing it as a personal failure.
Anyway, let’s leave it at this and focus on actually helping the guy understand the class. (or dont)
in my experience on difficulties like high Havoc, just staying alive doesn’t help at all
the most important matter is killing fast, or your team gets overwhelmed by non-stop spawns
and any other class does that better
What build are you currently using ?
I’d guess by the time someone enters (and gets picked for) havoc 40, a proper build and playstyle is figured out by the participant and the boss damage question a non-issue.
unless a premade decides to carry a mate out of friendship.
the fact others do it better isn’t taking from the fact arbites having tools to deal with bosses proper.
multiple at such.
whether balance or the measure where people “struggle” should be aimed around havoc40, is a different debate in my opinion for it revolves far to much around a corset of viable talents/loadouts against rainbow modifiers and numbers games
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